posted on February 02, 2023 02:34 AM by
u/Damn_Vegetables
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u/IHateReddit_900161 pointsat 1675329862.000000
Jesus Christ the comments
I am less certain that we need conservative faculty–although sure,
I’d be fine with that–than that we need openness to controversial ideas.
These would include, for example (among many controversial ideas that
might be true): for race, considering causes of racial disparities other
than discrimination; for gender, the possibility of innate differences
that affect life goals; for sexuality, the possibility that
child-adult sexual interaction isn’t always a “destroyer of
souls.” It is discussion of these uncomfortable ideas that we
need, not necessarily more Republicans. (Though, again, I’d be happy to
have. them.)
It's highly problematic that social science research be focused on anything outside of justifying racism, sexism, and the sexual abuse of children. This is *the* struggle.
It's pretty bewildering every time someone feels the need to defend CSA. Like, what happened in their life? Should we feel bad about it?
Also, nobody says it's a "destroyer of souls". Just that, y'know, we shouldn't traumatize kids for kicks. Incredible that it's .
and... there are numerous other "conservative sexual mores" -- such as they are -- this commenter could have used as an example ("the importance of self-discipline in sexuality", etc., I guess). but nope! straight to the "ackshyually it's called ephebophilia" shtick.
All I'm saying is that not *every* person subject to solitary confinement has come out the other side observably mentally disturbed... Let's stop treating the whole practice as inhumane because some people can't handle it.
Important to note that isn't some random anonymous comment or, it's this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Bailey.
He's already notorious for pushing anti-trans views using pseudoscience, and is responible for "The Fucksaw Incident". Good to know he's also pro-pedophile.
EDIT: Also be might have had connections to the Human Biodiversity Institute? That explains why he thinks that ~~black people are stupid~~ academia needs to be more open to controversial ideas on race and intelligence.
damn. i hate when im reading through old stuff on reddit and in the middle of a sparkling, scintillating discussion i find someone has written over all her old comments with nonsense, fragmenting the discussion permanently. what hilarious, moving, romantic, haunting things could she have said? just to wash it all away, in this digital era of permanency? wow. that takes courage. i bet she was really cute, too
I am not going to research what the fuck that incident is ... But more broadly, I think a fucksaw is a SawzAll or similar reciprocating power saw modified to hold a dildo? But I'm not going to go and double check that.
You know, I really try to take the time to consider whether I'm wrong, or whether I'm unfairly strawmanning my enemies.
And then shit like this comes along.
Like...do they *have* to be such fucking caricatures?
You know, I really try to take the time to consider whether I'm wrong, or whether I'm unfairly strawmanning my enemies.
And then shit like this comes along.
Like...do they *have* to be such fucking caricatures?
“fuck your diversity initiatives, let’s talk about the real
oppression happening here – how else am I supposed to find the academic
freedom to have my batshit loco viewpoints validated in an insular echo
chamber of other nutjobs?”
Is this blog in any way involved with EA/Rat subculture? It seems
like a blog hand-wringing about censorious left-illiberalism in
academia. Tangentially related and sneerworthy, but not really material
for the sub
based on his writing style, his irrelevant stats dump, and his maximal charity towards right wingers while presuming guilt of anyone to the left, it makes total sense. He even imitates slatescott's deferential commenting style.
I suppose my first comment could come off as confrontational, but I did find the post interesting and pathetic. this guy is so mush-brained that he wants to trade the clearly imperfect state of academic freedom for an ideology that lacks even the pretense of being interested in truth seeking or education.
Effective altruism/ rationalist subculture?
Those people are so weird. It's like a cult for 2012 reddit militant atheist types who grew to worship techno-futurists like musk and jack Dorsey.
“Conservative views are almost unheard of among particularly
administrators and humanities departments”
Why would they be? It’s mostly crap that’s been totally debunked.
This is like complaining there aren’t any physics professors who believe
the earth is flat, or biology professors who believe in creationism.
>This is like complaining there aren’t any physics professors who believe the earth is flat, or biology professors who believe in creationism.
as much as their public focus is on social topics like race and gender, in fact this is a huge part of what they are after--especially scientists who teach that climate change and evolution are real.
it can be very hard to remember that when DeSantis and Rufo & others say "woke," that's a big part of what they mean--and arguably, at the end of the day, possibly even more important to the Christian nationalists who want to burn everything down (using fossil fuels) than are "culture war" issues.
Considering that, at least in America, educated and
liberal/progressive are increasingly becoming synonymous due to
political realignment and social trends, and because in academic
contexts “woke” simply means “educated on particular topics”, we see
that the more general concern is the bias universities have toward
education. The only way to rectify it is, indeed, by reducing the
relative number of educated professors. If we can replace them with
professors who would instill a downright resentment of scholarship and
indoctrinate reliance on gut feeling, instinct, and received wisdom –
all the better. In fact, why not go all the way and abolish all courses
except those on rhetoric and debate.
This one is pure nonsense. How are Far Left people bunched together
with “liberals”, and who are the “moderates” between them and the far
right”? Where are the conservatives on this graph? The neocons? Where is
Jordan Peterson? Where is Jonathan Haidt? John Yoo who advised the US to
waterboard people and is prof at University of Cali ?
What is “extremely liberal”? Being in favor of gay marriage and
abortion rights? This could apply to neoliberal right wingers.
“While I have emphatic quibbles with the standard presentation of the
2006 Politics of the American Professoriate survey, which unreasonably
classifies a number of self-identified liberal professors who have
unambiguously liberal politics as moderates”
Almost as if that would be accurate, my dude.
PS: Way more people need to realize Jesse Signal is an Eliezer
Yudkowski fanboy.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190411060128/https://irrationallyspeaking.home.blog/2019/04/09/a-guide-for-the-perplexed-philosophers-jesse-singal-and-the-rationalist-subculture/
I do think social sciences and general academic culture are
progressively biased, and I want that to change. But this doesn’t make
me support the takeover of NC, because I don’t think politicians should
have the power to correct whatever biases they perceive in academia.
It’s better to have a norm where academics and their departments try to
convince each other that certain ideas aren’t receiving fair
consideration than a norm where ideas that are politically but not
academically popular (which are sometimes true but often bullshit) can
be forcibly injected into the academic marketplace of ideas. This
marketplace is certainly flawed in any case, but it has a better chance
of getting close to the truth when not subject to the whims of shifting
political majorities of laypeople. About 80% of the memes on
r/enlightenedcentrist apply to me, but much of Trace’s argument here
really does seem like naive centrism: the fact that academia is far to
the left of the general population doesn’t actually mean they’re further
from the truth (or from the “best” values). I do think they happen to be
on many issues, but the political center shouldn’t be treated as a
default goal for the academic center. This is essentially the same
reason why I oppose pretty much any kind of anti-misinformation measures
driven by the government or large corporations: the popular marketplace
of ideas is inefficient (far more so than the academic marketplace on
most issues) but still more likely to get to the truth than one where
ideas that powerful actors/factions don’t like are not even
discussed.
Jesus Christ the comments
This comment was faved by the author btw
“fuck your diversity initiatives, let’s talk about the real oppression happening here – how else am I supposed to find the academic freedom to have my batshit loco viewpoints validated in an insular echo chamber of other nutjobs?”
Is this blog in any way involved with EA/Rat subculture? It seems like a blog hand-wringing about censorious left-illiberalism in academia. Tangentially related and sneerworthy, but not really material for the sub
Conservatives clearly aren’t oppressed *enough* if they are continuing to make blogs like this.
Of course the Orson Scott Card fan would be a fascist.
“Conservative views are almost unheard of among particularly administrators and humanities departments”
Why would they be? It’s mostly crap that’s been totally debunked. This is like complaining there aren’t any physics professors who believe the earth is flat, or biology professors who believe in creationism.
Considering that, at least in America, educated and liberal/progressive are increasingly becoming synonymous due to political realignment and social trends, and because in academic contexts “woke” simply means “educated on particular topics”, we see that the more general concern is the bias universities have toward education. The only way to rectify it is, indeed, by reducing the relative number of educated professors. If we can replace them with professors who would instill a downright resentment of scholarship and indoctrinate reliance on gut feeling, instinct, and received wisdom – all the better. In fact, why not go all the way and abolish all courses except those on rhetoric and debate.
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I went to New College…damn this is depressing. I think enrollment is gonna crater next year, a b5ug part of the appeal was the liberal community.
I love the graphs they pull
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe53ec7f4-8716-4911-b835-ea3994385988_758x499.png
This one is pure nonsense. How are Far Left people bunched together with “liberals”, and who are the “moderates” between them and the far right”? Where are the conservatives on this graph? The neocons? Where is Jordan Peterson? Where is Jonathan Haidt? John Yoo who advised the US to waterboard people and is prof at University of Cali ?
This one
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdb7ce263-aae6-4613-ba64-b01d4d05874d_295x234.png
What is “extremely liberal”? Being in favor of gay marriage and abortion rights? This could apply to neoliberal right wingers.
“While I have emphatic quibbles with the standard presentation of the 2006 Politics of the American Professoriate survey, which unreasonably classifies a number of self-identified liberal professors who have unambiguously liberal politics as moderates”
Almost as if that would be accurate, my dude.
PS: Way more people need to realize Jesse Signal is an Eliezer Yudkowski fanboy.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190411060128/https://irrationallyspeaking.home.blog/2019/04/09/a-guide-for-the-perplexed-philosophers-jesse-singal-and-the-rationalist-subculture/
Who is this Chief of Staff person?
I actually like the author but holy shit, DO NOT APPLY THE PRINCIPLE OF CHARITY TO FASCIST DEMAGOGUES
I do think social sciences and general academic culture are progressively biased, and I want that to change. But this doesn’t make me support the takeover of NC, because I don’t think politicians should have the power to correct whatever biases they perceive in academia. It’s better to have a norm where academics and their departments try to convince each other that certain ideas aren’t receiving fair consideration than a norm where ideas that are politically but not academically popular (which are sometimes true but often bullshit) can be forcibly injected into the academic marketplace of ideas. This marketplace is certainly flawed in any case, but it has a better chance of getting close to the truth when not subject to the whims of shifting political majorities of laypeople. About 80% of the memes on r/enlightenedcentrist apply to me, but much of Trace’s argument here really does seem like naive centrism: the fact that academia is far to the left of the general population doesn’t actually mean they’re further from the truth (or from the “best” values). I do think they happen to be on many issues, but the political center shouldn’t be treated as a default goal for the academic center. This is essentially the same reason why I oppose pretty much any kind of anti-misinformation measures driven by the government or large corporations: the popular marketplace of ideas is inefficient (far more so than the academic marketplace on most issues) but still more likely to get to the truth than one where ideas that powerful actors/factions don’t like are not even discussed.