> This is Sneer Club. \**hoofs Persian emissary into a pit*\*

Banned from here or there?

>Is this guy actually a pro-AI mole to make anti-AI positions seem stupid? lol I think this conspiracy theory has been suggested here too. He's so absurd that nobody feels totally sure that Yudkowsky isn't some kind of double agent or saboteur.

jfc that Yudkowsky tweet is the dumbest thing of all the dumbest things he ever said. The reason fedora-wearing neckbeards are cringe is because they try to seem cool without putting effort and “earning” it. It's seen as a cheap trick, a lack of genuineness, it communicates laziness and lack of self-awareness, which are off-putting qualities. You absolutely can pull a fedora off, but you need to actually have a unique style.

i [used to have](http://www.reddragdiva.co.uk/acgpix/010420/00a-davidruby.jpg) an actual fedora (not a frickin trilby), best prop ever for amusing the sxxy deth chyx

There are some, uh, more favorable interpretations too though. E.g. [It's just amazing how utterly dominant eliezer is even compared to this guy who is much smarter (or allows himself to be much smarter) than lex. Scott is pretty scary in the same way but this is just on another level IMO.](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfbxq0s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Amazing that some people interpret interpersonal abrasiveness as a sign of intellectual strength.

* [So between regretting the fedora or - what to me feels his more unfortunate mistake as a spokesperson - assuming your audience takes the same premises for granted as you already do](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfc6j0w/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) * [I feel his writing was phrasing things in ways that make it sound smart and complicated but the essence of what it tried to communicate was often rather plain. It made it less accessible to me at least to consume that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfaxxyp/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) * [It was too much in-group jargon for things that normies already had words for, for my tastes. It was like reading a philosophical movement that took SV startup company cults and turned them into a science-themed ai doom club.](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfc3tfr/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) * [If you ask him to plainly state his argument without using jargon he made up (he’s incapable of this, that’s the whole ruse), it’s either completely banal science fiction trope or a tangential philosophy proposition someone else created.](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfbq1dn/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) * [Could he actually pass a college calculus test? I’m honestly not sure. He just likes referencing things like an L2 norm regularization because it sounds complicated but has he actually done ML?](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfafgcz/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) * Does he also realize this isn’t complicated and referencing the regularization method had nothing to do with the point he was making other than attempting to make himself look smarter than his interlocutor? * [Every time someone asks for an explanation of why AGI=doom, it's just "you do not understand instrumental convergence and the orthogonality thesis". (Because it's a rubbish argument that relies on a massively speculative chain of inferences and a sprinkle of sci-fi magic.)](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/12e68my/comment/jfca9br/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

Now take it all little further…just keep going…you’re getting warmer lol

The funny thing about Yudkowsky is that in the hypothetical (which a lot of these folks believe) where the AI could be a threat, having some idiot who has zero understanding of AI go viral, over a fucking *chatbot*, would of course be highly detrimental to the world's ability to deal with an AI threat should such threat actually present itself in the future. If only there was a childhood parable about some boy who had fun yelling about a threat that in principle might be real but wasn't real at the time. Suppose they keep on going like this, and then 10, 20 years down the line, there's some AI that isn't a fucking language model at all, which actually has its own goal built into it, and it starts threateningly probing around (I dunno, hacks the drivers, overclocks itself, the algorithm not quite differentiating between clock speeds going up and the world slowing down), and then the management needs to be convinced that there's some self destructive potential here since you got an algorithm that's just too open ended about how it searches for solutions. Presumably even the future would have a poorly secured internet that we rely on for daily life and infrastructure, which would not appreciate being subject to an unscheduled fuzzing test courtesy of some "AI" that doesn't know what the fuck its doing it's just trying to I dunno characterize all possible responses of the system. In the unlikely event of such happening, it'd be nice if we wouldn't have decades long history of idiots freaking out over chatbots and text compression/interpolation algorithms which do not in any way shape or form operate like the above scifi hypothetical.

Ssc posters are like the nerds that were so obsessed with their own intelligence that absolutely no one liked them. They were weird and had dumbass opinions that were “logical” Like I had a dude in my physics class (in college actually) that spent about 5 min arguing with the professor one day that astronomy was useless lol.

not surprising but interesting to see that by doing so much outreach into the alt-right, Scoot Salamander has recruited a whole new wave of relative normies into the fold whose idea of intellectual discourse is even more esthetic than the OG

There's a lot of overlap between PUAs and rationalists, at least in terms of types of people.

[r/justneckbeardthings - "Not enough people have seen this old video with Jordan Peterson"](https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/mdmlm0/not_enough_people_have_seen_this_old_video_with/)