Yeah, that is surprising. Maybe they thought he made them look bad? Considering that Yud still considers Michael Vassar, a fascist, domestic abuser, and probably rapist as well (I don't remember if it was him or some third guy), a close, personal friend I'm kind of surprised they kicked this guy out.
I remember reading about this in Kathleen Rebecca Forths suicide note (i think she wrote a lot about systemic misogyny and sexual harassment in these spaces. Her note was one of the red flags I began seeing around lesswrong back then)
The Culture and Special Circumstances:
"We fought a whole war over simulated hells and suffering for uploaded consciousness after death. We are decidedly anti-hell, but we're willing to make an exception here ..."
The weirdness of being a woman in STEM-adjacent spaces where somehow
your very existence is a trigger for this eyebrow wiggle shit from
“intelligent and serious” individuals.
It kinda seems like allusions to bdsm are somehow considered more “sapio” or less crude than just old fashioned cat call stuff too?
Like I don’t usually see these types just bust out the “damn dat fat ass” remarks but they’re prolific with the “whips and chains know what I mean” stuff.
Which is weird because fundamentally “let me remind of you of the perceived attractiveness of your body” is gross, but at least sort of on the low end of the escalatory track from normal talk to bedroom talk. Whereas “let me describe for you my personal fetishes and how I envision you playing into them” usually waits for the third date.
I know exactly what you mean. I think it's an "exploit", if you will, of some social groups identifying as "kink friendly". It doesn't, by instinct, fall into a "catcall" category, so people let it slide instead of calling it out.
Yes! Plus, calling out someone’s hot body parts is so base, like something jocks or manual workers would do. Or one of those assholes women date instead of the nice, smart guys they ignore! /sneer
In a culture of singularitarians who can barely disguise their revulsion for the fleshy side of the Cartesian duality, it’s crass to notice a nice butt. But give them the pretense of alt sexual practices and the opportunity to make a play on words and they’re like 13-year old boys.
I’ve definitely noticed that the rationalists are weirdly repulsed by physicality. I wonder which comes first, is hating being embodied something that comes from spending all your time thinking about nonsense AI thought experiments and bayesianism, or is it that people who hate being made of meat are attracted to this stuff?
Also part of why I find it weird when people on here say that rats aren’t intellectual enough. Almost all of these people would massively benefit from at least 6 months trapped in the woods with no internet, no books, and a lot of weights to lift.
And yeah, not to excuse too much bad behavior on the part of “jocks”, but am I the only one whose noticed that gym/sports culture seems to have a way healthier view towards women and sex than nerdy subcultures do? It’s weird.
I'm definitely not saying there's no sexism, more that the straightforwardness makes it seem less bad somehow. Like, it's at least honest.
I'm a guy though, so I can't speak for which is actually more obnoxious to put up with.
No disrespect to kinkier, but bdsm is disproportionately popular with dweebs, and there’s this whole “intellectual dominant” complex that these dinguses develop.
“Visceral attraction is for the dumb oafish jocks that gave me swirlies, but I’m le enlightened kink enjoyer.”
100% strawmanning to make my point, but it’s a trend I’ve noticed. If I wanted to be really uncharitable, I’d also note that being a “dom” is the only way most of these guys genuinely get to feel dominant or masculine, IE, when everyone is humoring them and pretending.
Also not saying I don’t like rough sex as much as the next guy, but I’d never describe myself in the terms of that subculture, basically because of these people lol.
Too real.
I'm actually really curious to understand how this comes about, like what creates the impulse to take something that's one of the most instinctual, visceral, behaviors that humans engage in, and create all this logical-brain systematic nonsense around it?
I bet its like the same shit fundamentalist religious folk do - it is almost like a ritual of human supremacy of sorts, I mean I just want to have sex with another person - there isn't much to actually think about - maybe that is the problem with having the intellect as the BIG factor of self-worth...
You are right, the bdsm folks are almost doctrine driven with lore, how to guides - the mainstream blasphemy of "50 shades of grey"
I mean being educated on consent, respect. The "normal stuff" is great. It is like how can we take HR health and safety and put into the theme of "total degeneracy".
They _are_ doing it all the time, and every time someone says "it's just because that's how men are" they are making excuses by implying the behaviour is an inherent part of the gender.
I bet he did.
The timeless conundrum: does he act like this because he can't get laid, or he can't get laid because he acts like this?
Hey wait, whats stopping all these people from a constant stream of erotic-fan-"sci"-fic about how they must be slept with to appease the Basilisk.
I’m starting to think that these guys do not actually belive all the
weird stuff they are saying and the whole rationalist/effective
altruism/ethic AI movement is just some comedy group.. some post-humor
thing we simple minded people do not get
I’ve seen this trick before. You use a bunch of words together to give the impression of terms of art, or of intelligence. But it’s all fake.
It’s like an artificial form of intelligence …
Oh wow, I truly hope this is the dumbest thing I ever read, because
maybe the punishment has started already:
We are not trying to strategize, we are trying to
contractually eliminate reasons for humans to try to fight each other
and strategy questions like this don’t matter as far as that
goes
Its like, what is this GPT-5B6? I literally don’t feel well reading
that, ugh.
See, it has not even been a day and he is already betraying humanity
to help the AGIs. Called it, and all we needed was … nothing really, he
did it all himself.
Unrelated. Well that is weird. See [this tweet, accusing him of being banned from events.](https://twitter.com/real91toph/status/1652651721334853633), and then [Roko denying this, calling it libel](https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1652653442232377346) and them talking in this thread as if the first tweet was deleted. But... I can still see it. (what is likely is that he simply blocked Roko and the national socialist white nat fanboi, and this is caused the 'tweet not available' message on their reaction. Anyway, nobody tell him the tweet is still up).
Did twitter break hiding deleted tweets?
E: also note that the guy saying 'wow he folded quick' is very openly a neo-nazi type.
I picked three tweets in a row to quote:
>In general I think that the way to decrease conflict over the cosmic endowment is to reduce the stakes by guaranteeing that everyone will get a reasonably similar share and will be free to do their thing.
Well, this "cosmic endowment" is based on a lot of assumptions I do not share with him. I do however like sharing so morally I'm with him about freedom and equal resources for everyone.
>In the limit of infinite technology people will be allowed their own planet and the technology to make a crowd of fake-people who form a status hierarchy that they are at the top of.
Oh no.
>Activities like "critical race theory" and "Black lives matter" that have victim narratives and a central zero-sum philosophy serve to unnecessarily increase the stakes of inter-group competition (making everything about race - culture, workplace, dating etc).
Ah yes. Racists and people who want to end racism are in a zero-sum game together so the obviously solution is for them to cease their activities until each of them get their planet full of "totally not slaves" to rule over.
Unrelated to all this, and I can't find it anymore as I closed the tab. But there was some other MIRI bullshit going on in a different tweet thread and I noticed something. Some female (ex? I don't know) employee of MIRI was talking about how Yud/some other person (lets call him X) ran the place. And detractors instantly went with 'X said you always had a different recollection of what was said from him so im going to discount what you said' (im going to be ignoring the bad biassed rationalism going on there), and I noticed the Rationalists do this more often, if a woman is showing some dirt, try to paint her as being unreliable, it is getting a bit obvious.
Sorry that this isn't related to what you said, but it was lowkey bothering me for a few hours now so I thought I should at least mention it somewhere.
On topic: that is pretty dire, but expected from Roko.
Yeah, that was in the replies to "jessicat" about MIRI [here](https://twitter.com/ohabryka/status/1651067215880552448). Aella adopted a [similar strategy](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/118tlb4/in_response_to_time_magazines_recent_coverage_of/) in response to the Time Magazine article about sexual misconduct in EA circles. I'm also reminded of Scott Siskind's [dismissal](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/8tcewi/scott_alexander_responds_to_kathys_note_with_just/) of Kathy Forth's accusations of sexual harrassment in EA based on second-hand information.
I see James Miller, @JimDMiller, replied to the now-deleted tweet, saying "You are mistaken about this. I'm a professor at a women's college."
https://twitter.com/JimDMiller/status/1652703899453734918
Does that mean that roko and James D. Miller (author of "Singularity Rising") are somehow connected, or have I misunderstood what's going on? Is this well-known? It might be, I don't really pay much attention to these guys.
Assuming that the comment hasn't just been posted in the wrong place, I read it as meaning "I can't be a sexual harasser. I teach in a women's college [and so if I was a harasser, I'd have been caught out and thrown out by now]".
But that only makes sense if Roko **IS** Miller. Is that a known thing? Or can it be ruled out by evidence elsewhere?
This takes me back to that suite of late-00s memes ending "Your argument is invalid."
There's a windmill in my beard. Your argument is invalid.
My hair is a bird. Your argument is invalid.
Etc.
Such great detail that it all is yet to be determined. Barf
You know there actually are ways to do good w crypto tech but this guy aint exactly cornered the market
if you ever wondered how roko achieved the amazing feat of being banned from rationalist spaces for sexual harassment
:|
Gross.
Also, I love how the first tweet is just “We may be able to ensure [the rapture] by using [magic].”
This is… suddenly somehow completely familiar.
The weirdness of being a woman in STEM-adjacent spaces where somehow your very existence is a trigger for this eyebrow wiggle shit from “intelligent and serious” individuals.
The feeling of recognition I have is visceral.
bro deleted it but archive
That guys always been a creep
I’m starting to think that these guys do not actually belive all the weird stuff they are saying and the whole rationalist/effective altruism/ethic AI movement is just some comedy group.. some post-humor thing we simple minded people do not get
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It’s restricted now, but he once tweeted
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these people are so tiring
He’s posting through it
Oof.
And these people want everyone else to take them seriously?
(I also hadn’t reached the magical cryptography part of the thread, lol)
Oh wow, I truly hope this is the dumbest thing I ever read, because maybe the punishment has started already:
We are not trying to strategize, we are trying to contractually eliminate reasons for humans to try to fight each other and strategy questions like this don’t matter as far as that goes
Its like, what is this GPT-5B6? I literally don’t feel well reading that, ugh.
‘too?’
See, it has not even been a day and he is already betraying humanity to help the AGIs. Called it, and all we needed was … nothing really, he did it all himself.
Somehow I doubt he actually can help with that stuff, if for some unfathomable reason somebody actually is willing to accept his creep offer.
How does sexual harassment bring about the existence of the Supreme AI, Roko? Hmm?
Yeah he’s one of the guys who’s been named as a serial harasser in the community
And the terms of this contract would be…?
It’s just… well… why be so disturbingly specific, Roko?
All concepts are made up concepts
This hurt my stomach to read
Roko like the guy from that movie about two irish brothers?? I love that movie
least sexually deviant rationalist
Fuck that skeev. He won’t last long, mark my words.
Wait what, how is the mention of a whip, paddle, and handcuffs “sexual harassment”?
Oof
What a fucking idiot.