posted on May 16, 2023 11:21 PM by
u/grotundeek_apocolyps
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I think we should start moving AI content that doesn’t have a Sneer
nexus to something like /r/techtakes or some other AI sub, I don’t see
the Sneer content here. I’m not doing it to this one, this is a warning
shot across the bow.
Sorry if it's not appropriate for this sub. Maybe a better title for the post would have been something like ***Sam Altman thinks people should need a government license to do math on computers*** ?
It seemed like it should be prototypical sneer material: Altman is presenting Yudkowskian mythology to the highest levels of government in order to encourage them to do stupid things so that he can get richer. Like, this is almost the pinnacle of any cult's ambitions. I figured things should only get *more* sneerable in a case like this.
Also, the comments section of the Ars article is full of sneers too.
If you folks don't think it's a good fit though then i'll not post stuff like this in the future.
cc u/dgerard
I think we just need a little bit more of a Sneer nexus than just Altman -- maybe a top level comment bringing out that it's BASED ON YUDKOWSKY MYTHOLOGY is enough, in which case, rock on. Keep posting in general! Altman and the rest of the AI folks generate so much noise we have to make sure that it's about the Sneer side of AI.
it's a tricky one, because we had a flood of general takes on the AI-industrial-complex of late
i guess a good test is: is the thing actually about our dear friends the rationalists?
With all due respect, it's very hard to find a bit of that nonsense without at least a bit of links to the phyg, often with directly tracible connections in rhetoric or behavior, such as the 'alignment' types in that AGI paper's only trackable personae are active LW posters.
No you don’t understand, you don’t need to regulate our generative
software because it’s stupid, violating training material author’s
rights, obfuscating liability by automating bias, or because companies
don’t always have the proper incentive towards quality output, consumer
protection and employee protection.
You have to regulate it because it’s too ✨powerful ✨.
You can’t just let any company act unethically and irresponsible
(well at least not in ways that compete with us). I implore you, let us
carry this burden.
Do you have anything I can read on this, specifically WRT to AI? I get the basic arguments, and their relation to platforms like Uber, Netflix, etc. But I would love to look at something more specific.
It's all pretty new so I don't think there is anything to read at the moment. The Information did get their hands on OpenAI's financials. From memory they lost $500m last year. I understand they're expected to do $200m in revenue this year but the loss has widened
I do wish there was a middle ground between “regulations are written
by the people being regulated” and “regulations are written by a body
whose average age exceeds that of the personal computer revolution”.
It’s absolutely true that having people who understand the thing you are
regulating helps regulate it, but just going up to the industry leader
and asking “what do you want” is the dictionary definition of regulatory
capture.
And they're more educated. Overall, they seem to be being more aggressive on this because they recognize a serious threat to the function of their economy.
Also, I'd rather some old compsci hands for the regulation of this, preferably someone who cut their teeth on the papers from the first attempts at machine translation back in the 60s. Less vulnerable to hype.
Wait, I think I have the solution!
Let's have a neutral body composed of experts in the field that help draft and critique the legislation, with stakeholders from the major companies, so there's say, 6 board members from OpenAI oh god dammit what do you mean they'll cut funding if we let people opt out of inclusion in training datasets, well alright, I guess it's technically the platform's content oh what the fuck is Meta doing over there
Oh wow, idk why I’m surprised.
Funny thing from the article:
> “It was a beautiful speech,”
I’m imagining a LinkdIn recruiter’s attempt at motivational speaking tbh. I’m sure it was beautiful to people full of hot air
>Altman will testify before the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on privacy and technology Tuesday, **alongside an IBM executive** and NYU professor emeritus.
I am sure they asked that particular IBM executive why their CEO was championing using AI to eliminate a substantial portion of his workforce. The irony of having executives looking for every way possible to use these technologies to minimize their labor needs asking Congress to regulate their new technogod.
I think we should start moving AI content that doesn’t have a Sneer nexus to something like /r/techtakes or some other AI sub, I don’t see the Sneer content here. I’m not doing it to this one, this is a warning shot across the bow.
No you don’t understand, you don’t need to regulate our generative software because it’s stupid, violating training material author’s rights, obfuscating liability by automating bias, or because companies don’t always have the proper incentive towards quality output, consumer protection and employee protection.
You have to regulate it because it’s too ✨powerful ✨.
You can’t just let any company act unethically and irresponsible (well at least not in ways that compete with us). I implore you, let us carry this burden.
I do wish there was a middle ground between “regulations are written by the people being regulated” and “regulations are written by a body whose average age exceeds that of the personal computer revolution”. It’s absolutely true that having people who understand the thing you are regulating helps regulate it, but just going up to the industry leader and asking “what do you want” is the dictionary definition of regulatory capture.
He bought them dinner first.
If anyone was still wondering how AI doomerism might financially benefit an AI company, this is a good example.
Damn, this is like that scene in Heat where Tone-Loc’s character tries to get Al Pacino’s character to raid a chop shop!