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If you could prescribe 5 required reading books to the average LW/IDW/SSC reader, what would they be? (https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/8j2sp9/if_you_could_prescribe_5_required_reading_books/)
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Looking for books to recommend to friends who crave interesting stuff to read, but turn to guys like Jordan Peterson and Eliezer Yudkowsky and Robin Hanson because that’s the trendy, popular, easy to digest stuff in the public eye right now. In particular because as evidence below, I don’t have a ton of good suggestions on hand right now. Also looking for books for *me* to read that I might not have.

In particular, looking for books or short reads that:

(a) Help give a broader perspective on US and global history and politics than the grade-school “pop” historical and global narratives many of these people buy directly into. The stuff that would help dispel the simplistic narratives many of these people work from - “The US generally does the right thing globally”, “Communism was the enemy of democracy”, “Socialism is all about big government and regulation”, “The Western world is responsible for almost all major achievements”, etc. Books on US interventions and brutal capitalist regime change in South America, US imperialism globally, the spanish civil war, the socialist party in the US, socialist and communist movements abroad, the rise of fascism in the US and other countries in the 20th century, labor movements, etc.

Suggestions: People’s History of the United States, Ionesco’s play Rhinoceros, Umberto Eco’s essay on Ur Fascism, Chomsky books?

(b) Help people understand leftist perspectives, instead of endlessly working with the strawmen of them presented in these popular liberal works.

Suggestions: The Pervert’s Guide to Ideology (perhaps it’s time to sneer at me for this suggestion), Jacobin’s The ABCs of Socialism.

(c) Help give a broader perspective on the history of social justice, works that show how “moderate-washed” figures like MLK, Gandhi, and Mandela were actually quite radical, and how many of the scary SJW ideas they hear about through <insert alt-right propaganda subreddit> have a legacy in civil rights movements and academic philosophy.

Suggestions: Letter from a Birmingham Jail, MLK’s 1967 speech to the APA.

(d) In general any works that give actually academic but also accessible views on any topic to combat the entire “Experts suck and you never have to listen to what they say, you just have to think about it!” autodidact philosophy that pervades the rationalist community. Can be in your niche of interest.

I think /u/FashionSense is essentially right about this, but if you’re going to try it, you need to find the most Rationalist-adjacent, sciency, or “non-ideological” stuff possible rather than just throwing Marx or some shit at them. Here’s some possible ideas:

-What Intelligence Tests Miss by Keith Stanovich – a critique of IQ based largely on the cognitive biases and heuristics research program. This even got a write-up on LW a long time ago.

-Adapting Minds by David Buller – extremely thorough brick-length debunking of orthodox evo psych, no politics included.

-Descartes Error by Antonio Damasio – affective neuroscience and the neurological importance of emotion to decision-making processes. Jaak Panksepp might also be good here and has some debunkings of evo psych.

-Race, Monogamy, and Other Lies They Told You by Agustin Fuentes – doubles as a great intro to basic concepts in biological anthropology and succinct debunking of HBD. Also has the benefit of not being written by Stephen Jay Gould, who makes them froth at the mouth.

-1491 by Charles C. Mann – A good popularization (they exist!) of the history of European contact, development of the Columbian exchange, etc. Good for debunking sciency sounding Jared Diamond type history. Also worth looking into James Loewen’s Lies My Teacher Told Me, but it might be a little too commie in places. Europe and the People Without History by Eric Wolf is the advanced version, though definitely way too commie.

-Science As Social Knowledge by Helen Longino – A feminist analytic does phil of science and STS, including (FORMAL) logic. A major case study is biology of sex/gender, so also doubles for debunking a lot of crappy gender essentialism.

-The Funding of Scientific Racism by William H. Tucker – The title might be too triggering (ad hom!), but it’s a fairly dry history of the Pioneer Fund from when it was founded (1930s) to the time publication (early 2000s). Unlike many histories of this type, it traces a straight through-line from old-school eugenics to contemporary figures who would become the godfather’s of today’s HBD movement.

-The Enlightenment by Dorinda Outram – this is a revisionist (and nicely brief) take on the Enlightenment with a more social history spin. It debunks the idea of the Enlightenment as any singular thing and shows the on-the-ground reality of the time period the philosophes existed in.

Yeah I second stuff like this (the Buller book is great). I think they'd benefit more from philosophy of science stuff than from reading *The German Ideology* or somesuch. Also critical takes on the kind of Grey Tribe favored fields that they tend to take way too much at analytical face value. Off the top of my head, I'd say for example in addition to your suggestions: - Jonathan Marks, *Is Science Racist?* and/or *Human Biodiversity* - Varoufakis and Hargreaves-Heap, *Game Theory: A Critical Text* and/or Varoufakis' *Economic Indeterminacy*, for the great critiques of rationality in microeconomics (including Aumann's theorem) - something the Rationalosphere seems to take for granted - Neil Mackintosh, *IQ and Human Intelligence* - it's the standard textbook, but very even-handed and by no means credulous. Given the responses of many SSC types I get the sense few of them have actually read it. Same with James Flynn's books, especially *Intelligence and How to Get It*. - A textbook on philosophy of social science - e.g. Martin Hollis or maybe Alexander Rosenberg, or Nancy Cartwright. It's real easy to be super impressed by Rationalist Insight Porn and the Sequences if you don't know any philosophy of social science to begin with. - Richard Rorty, *Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature*. Not because I entirely endorse it, but in being thoroughly 'postmodern', concerned with representation, and pragmatist, it is the opposite of what most of them are probably familiar with.
Also Alan Chalmers' What Is This Thing Called Science? though it's getting old now and I don't know if there are new editions of it. >Jonathan Marks, Is Science Racist? and/or Human Biodiversity Marks is also snarky as fuck for when you get tired of seeing the same biotruths endless repeated, but Human Biodiversity (this is now one of the most ironic book titles in history) is much more rhetorically restrained. There is also another one like that, I think it's called The Alternative Introduction to Biological Anthropology. Is Is Science Racist? any good. Marks has good consistent quality but it can get pretty repetitive, and race-debunking books are IMO getting close to the category of creationist-debunking books in terms of their repetitiveness. >including Aumann's theorem Wait, there were people who believed this besides Aumann and rationalist bloggers?
Not in the Hanson-Aaronson style "agreeing to disagree is fake" sense. But it's a valid result in game theory. The point is that, as Varoufakis describes quite well, it demonstrates deficiencies in the rationality concept in game theory, not that it's literally true.
Oh OK I've only heard of the Hanson-Aaronson formulation, which is obviously [silly](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/10/59/8f105904043754d20ecfd3e92bff4bb1.jpg).
It's one more manifestation of the _homo economicus_ problem. Aumann is a correct and useful, if thoroughly unsurprising, observation in formal logic. (Two copies of the same algorithm, when given the same input, produce the same results? You don't say!) The error, as usual, lies in drastically overestimating how well "perfectly rational actor" models actual human behavior even in the best of circumstances.
There's also the little problem that all the inputs are never going to be the same in real life.
This seems like a good place to recommend A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived by Adam Rutherford. It's about human genetics and one of the best pop-sci books I've read. There's a certain attitude towards biology and evolution that a lot the biologists I most admire (as a grad student in the field) have and it shines through pretty clearly in this book. It's mostly non-political, but obviously some concepts such as ancestry tests, bad ideas about heritability, and naive notions of races as genetic clusters can't help but be shredded by a competent presentation of how genetics actually works.
Sounds interesting. Is it sort of like LL Cavalli-Sforza's stuff?
I haven't read Cavalli-Sforza, but I'm adding a lot to the reading list thanks to this thread. Edit: I looked up Genes, Peoples, and Languages on Google Books and read a little bit. I prefer Rutherford's prose and he does neat typographical things to illustrate genetic concepts. His book definitely comes off as a much more modern pop-sci book in that it spends a lot of time on how we know what we know and lots of background stuff. Genes, Peoples, and Languages seems more focused on specifically addressing the question of how distinct human populations are and how much between-group variation matters.
Thanks for such an excellent list, I'll have a look into these!
>\-What Intelligence Tests Miss by Keith Stanovich \-\- a critique of IQ based largely on the cognitive biases and heuristics research program. This even got a write\-up on LW a long time ago. I really enjoyed that book, but it's worth noting that follow\-up work by Stanovich has had ambiguous results. It may have slightly undermined his earlier claims that IQ tests don't measure rationality, although the correlation still isn't perfect. See [this book review](https://twitter.com/stuartjritchie/status/819140439827681280?lang=en).
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bell hooks, Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center.

Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

Sara Ahmed, Living a Feminist Life

Linda Martín Alcoff, Visible Identities

eds. Cherríe Moraga and Gloria Anzaldúa, This Bridge Called My Back

These are all pretty accessible.

How to Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff would be a good start

Also a good call. Some good critical textbooks on stats would go a long way.

Venkatesh Rao’s Ribbonfarm might be a decent way to transition out of the LW/SSC sphere. It’s very similar in style but with a much broader palette. When you see the much wider world he writes about, all the Team Red / HBD / Intellectual Dark Web shit just isn’t as fascinating anymore.

Current Affairs is killing it in the Culture Wars. It’s a great transition point just because he specifically kicks the asses of Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and other right-wing-nerd golden calves.

Interesting choices. Venkat's told me himself he gets a lot of ex-LWers, and I suppose ribbonfarm's an improvement, but Venkat's got some disturbing right-wing tendencies too. He is very much a 'rah rah rah capitalism!' kinda guy who at the moment sincerely believes that things like the 8 hour work day were the natural result of capitalism evolving and not the result of long and bloody struggles by ordinary people, and for some odd reason, he feels more threatened by Tumblr SJWs than by actual murderous alt-righters.
> who at the moment sincerely believes that things like the 8 hour work day were the natural result of capitalism evolving A lot of people believe that, but not a lot of very smart people.
Sadly, not a lot of very smart people out there.
Careful now, that's the road to SlateStarville...
Hahah, a fair point!
Yeah, I just think he's a better, more generous writer than Scott who won't lead people down the path of HBD and hardcore social conservatism. He's an option for people who aren't going to take you seriously if you throw bell hooks at them. He is tight with Kevin Simler, which should put you on notice.
Kevin Simler is a lot like Venkat that way--very LWish, but more generous and slightly more human. I find Sarah Perry a lot scarier than him, really--from reading her blog, she's not shy about sharing the LW disdain for normies. Edit: just went back to Melting Asphalt, Simler's blog...I did not realize he was that tight with Robin Hanson. What the fuck. I thought Kevin was an okay guy.
Oddly the guy follows me on Twitter. I mostly post about leftwing stuff and Tolkien, so I'm not too sure why.
That is weird. He is one of those nerds who gets a lot of insight porn out of mining pop culture, so maybe it's the Tolkien stuff? Did you ever go to Refactor Camp?
I haven't the foggiest idea what Refactor Camp is. It sounds like something from a YA dystopian novel.
AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA oh my god that's the best thing I ever heard! It's a conference for Ribbonfarm readers. I actually helped organize it one year before reading more about the struggles of marginalized people turned me into a raging leftist. Some of the people who show up are actually pretty cool, but the quality of the public speaking was, as you may be able to guess, totally awful. Oh man, I wish I were still on speaking terms with Venky. I'd love to tell him someone thought his con sounds like a dystopian YA novel.
Very curious. I'd never heard of Ribbonfarm before either. I should investigate. Keep in mind my demographic overlap with the Rationalosphere is (besides being a white guy) very minimal, and that I found out about all this in the first place is pure personal contingency. My intellectual circles are largely self-taught socialists of various stripe. Lots of working class people and humanities academics.
This is definitely @vgr who follows you on Twitter? Well if you wanna check out Ribbonfarm, Venky's greatest hit is the Gervais Principle series: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/ The other thing he wrote that I like is this: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2007/08/13/the-parrot/
Yep, just checked. Same guy. I'll check it out! Maybe I'll follow him back some time.
Has Ribbonfarm improved? I wrote off The Gervais Prinicple as vapid insight porn, and haven't really given him a chance since. It would definitely be a bad choice to give me, if you wanted to reach me.
No. Ever since he started doing the guest-blogger thing, it's gotten worse. And even though he's prolific, he still hasn't figured out how to reliably write tighter prose.
If you're a Culadasa fan, it's probably a waste of your time. It's an alternative to Scott Alexander and Jordan Peterson.
  1. Help people understand leftist perspectives
  • Ann Leckie’s Ancillary series. Beautifully crafted left-wing, postmodern space opera, with a highly rationalist protagonist.

  • “What Went Wrong? Reflections on Science by Observation and the Bell Curve”, by Glymour. (Contains math.)

  • ETA: Also, Graeber’s Debt, and his excellent responsiveness to his Amazon-review critics (though it seems like you have to dig a bit to find his responses. I’m not sure how to link them directly.)

“Experts suck and you never have to listen to what they say, you just have to think about it!”

I am totally, 100% behind that view. The likes of Peterson and Murray have been able to cement their pernicious views by appealing to their own authority, and Damore’s argument for why women might be biologically determined to disinterest in programming was mostly an appeal to authority. If you can’t at least read a scientific paper and judge its claims for yourself on the paper’s own terms, you’re bound to wind up getting manipulated by someone.

show how “moderate-washed” figures like MLK, Gandhi, and Mandela were actually quite radical,

I haven’t read much of it, but I bet Finkelstein’s What Gandhi Says: About Nonviolence, Resistance and Courage fits the bill.

>Ann Leckie's Ancillary series. Beautifully crafted left-wing, postmodern space opera, with a highly rationalist protagonist. Eh, the first book was amazing but the rest really started to drag and get caught up in minutia and wasted the potential of several new characters. As for a rationalist protagonist, I agree in that it's clear she doesn't understand her own mind very well and constantly crafts rationalizations which is perfect for forcing the reader to read between the lines.
She's born as a robot mandated to perform emotionlessness. You can't get much closer to rationalist ideals of mental discipline than that.

IIRC ContraPoints and Hbomberguy talk about this somewhere: that their turn to leftism wasn’t because of any particular books but because of a general curiosity and love of reading.

They point out that it’s not so much about what you read, but rather how you approach your reading - with a critical, curious, and above all, a humble, attitude.

This is in contrast to the right who typically venerate certain figures as geniuses and heroes for bravely arguing against the status quo. But no one person is infallible, and a cultish following of certain thinkers isn’t productive nor helpful. It reflects their (often unconscious) reliance on individualism as a way of understanding the world.

This is true, some of the most eye-opening reading for me was reactionary bilge from a century ago or more and how apparent it was that people are still copy-pasting a lot of it in the current day.
> venerate certain figures as geniuses and heroes I think this is key here. Part of the problem rationalists are having is appreciating the necessary problems that come along with interpretation---whether it's in the "hard" sciences or the arts of politics, history, and communication. And, this appriciation is not an easy thing to gain perspective on, and it's something I think the paralyze by trying to render everything in their own private language and probabalism. There is no recipe book to make a critical thinker---no series of sequences to step-stone to enlightenment. No heros to become through emulation or dictate. I was even trying to sort out how, as a young grub, I gravitated away from new atheism, biological essentialism, and reductionist thinking... and I *feel* no small part of that story is *post hoc* rationalization (lol, look at me the hypocrite). But I do know a part of that story is just growing up, getting worldly about what it means to know and make judgment. As much as I dislike the crude thesis of the extended male childhood, I think that I speaks in some way to the trouble of r/ssc, rationalists, toxic nerd culture, silicon valley, the alt-right, etc---that we are seeing a social arrest of development, for all its good and ills. (I say "goods," because if adulthood means returning to the modes of living our forefathers embraced, I'd rather be something else.) My unhelpful impulse is to direct these people to grow up, not to prescribe another book. There are probably thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of books worthy of critical thought. So pick one and try to do some growing---whatever *that* means. ...at least that's what I would say if someone asked me :P
> they paralyze by trying to render everything in their own private language and probabalism. There is no recipe book to make a critical thinker---no series of sequences to step-stone to enlightenment. No heros to become through emulation or dictate. So much this! Because they genuinely believe that not only is it possible to program a critical thinker, but that this will certainly happen, literally!
I think the tough thing (and the reason I mostly have zero patience with this silly stuff anymore), is that it is obvious that some people (maybe most people) do eventually "grow up" or grow out of these narrow mindsets. How that happens is probably different for different people. But as far as I can tell, being a committed rationalist is not itself being thoughtful or critical.

The Black Jacobins- C.L.R. James, a leftist history of slavery and the slave rebellion in Haiti.

Don’t Even Think About It: Why Our Brains Are Wired to Ignore Climate Change- George Marshall, hopefully it would make them consider why they and their IDW heroes refuse to confront the horror of climate change. (Also recommend This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate-Naomi Klein, but it huge and would be a bit masochistic to require a lobster to read it.)

My next three are fiction because I get the feeling a lot of IDW fans simply don’t read that much fiction and I think it would be a net positive if they did.

A Canticle for Leibowitz- Walter M. Miller Jr., one of the best anti-scientism novels written.

The Awakening- Kate Chopin, my favorite feminist novel. I can imagine the IDW fans not understanding its message but I think it will stick with them and give them pause.

Lastly, A Confederacy of Dunces- John Kennedy Toole, largely because it’s my favorite novel and I think every one should read it. But I also think IDW fans share many tendencies with Ignatius J Reilly and maybe reading that book would allow them to see their own absurdity.

>A Confederacy of Dunces I could almost see them pulling a "this but unironically" with that book, but it would be ruined for them by Reilly's love for Boethius, because that's reLIEgion.
Definitely. At least half of the would not understand that Ignatius is not someone people should emulate. However, I real like his style of iconoclast and hopefully some of them would become more harmless if they emulated him.
> Lastly, A Confederacy of Dunces- John Kennedy Toole, largely because it’s my favorite novel and I think every one should read it. But I also think IDW fans share many tendencies with Ignatius J Reilly and maybe reading that book would allow them to see their own absurdity. Ignatius J Reilly is a satirical throatpunch towards their exact bullshit from before they even existed.

“Thank you for arguing” by Jay Heinrichs. It’s a book about rhetoric.

I found it immensely useful in my personal life because I found when I implemented it, it reduced conflict between myself and other people. It also was eye-opening because it made me realise that rationalists suffer from an over-reliance on one form of rhetoric - logos - whilst completely ignoring ethos and pathos. Both are very important to at least understand - even if you don’t want to use them yourself - because other people use and respond to them.

> It also was eye-opening because it made me realise that rationalists suffer from an over-reliance on one form of rhetoric - logos - whilst completely ignoring ethos and pathos. Both are very important to at least understand - even if you don't want to use them yourself - because other people use and respond to them. Maybe more to the point, Rationalists use and respond to ethos and pathos even while denying it ("death to the SJWS/blue tribe/Conflict Theorists!"). Everyone uses and responds to ethos and pathos. But pretending that they don't is what makes Rationalists especially vulnerable to being manipulated by ethos and pathos. This is especially obvious when they talk politics. The last 50 years of US history have seen a difficult rebranding of overt racism from ethos/pathos into logos that sounds perfectly rational to oblivious white people (I'm sure we've all memorized the Lee Atwater quote), and now every r/slatestarcodex Culture War thread is full of stupid dogwhistle topics straight out of Fox News / conservatube / Breitbart that sound like something everyone should have a calm charitable discussion about if you totally ignore the fact that they push all your irrational buttons and that's the only reason you're talking about it. So yeah, master your human tendencies instead of denying that you have them.
>The last 50 years of US history have seen a difficult rebranding It hasn't been rebranded, it's always been like that. There have been books put out for centuries by university professors and intellectuals that are full of the most erudite bullshit ever written.
  • The meaning of science by Tim Lewens for a contemporary introduction to philosophy of science.

  • The man of reason by Geneviene Lloyd. It’s a historical account of western philosophy about the association of rationality with masculinity and as a consequence with objectivity and the association of emotions to femininity and irrationality. Might also want to check her latest book Enlightenment shadows.

  • Nations and Nationalism since 1780 by Eric Hobsbawm for a counter of naive arguments about what a nation is -nationalism makes nations, not the other way around. His other book, The invention of tradition is a good choice too.

  • Measurement in psychology by Joel Michell for some better philosophical understanding of measurement theory and psychological measurements like IQ and educational attainment (obviously quite technical stuff). The topic is way more contentious and murky than people are willing to admit. This should be a good counter to a naive surface level acceptance of IQ and other psychological tests and their interpretations. They can dismiss Gould, but they cannot dismiss people like Michell that have dedicated their academic careers thinking about these topics.

  • A short course on intellectual self-defense by Normand Baillardeon for good critical thinking skills.

  • The secret to our success by Joe Henrich for an actual understanding of human diversity.

> A short course on intellectual self-defense by Normand Baillardeon for good critical thinking skills. This is a good book, but leans a little bit too much toward the fallacy man end of things for more seasoned rationalists. Maybe Massimo Pigliucci's Nonsense on Stilts? It's trodden ground in a lot of places but it has a good section on expertise and understanding the epistemological and social roles of experts.
yeah. i guess i usually have in mind that most rationalists have a background in comp sci or whatever so they can digest a little more technical/academic leaning work. > Maybe Massimo Pigliucci's Nonsense on Stilts? i'm not familiar with this
My point was that Baillardeon is too intro level. Pigliucci is in the same vein, but a bit more advanced, with more phil of science, and good material on expertise.
oh from the name i assumed that pigliucci's book was less advanced, dunno why if it's more advanced then that sounds good
Yeah, Pigliucci is one of the few good products of the "skeptic" movement. Probably why he spends so much time dunking on them. Also his technical work on the extended evolutionary synthesis is worth reading.
> extended evolutionary synthesis I hadn't come across this before, but the [first principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_evolutionary_synthesis#Predictions), "change in phenotype can precede change in genotype," reminded me a lot of [this awesome paper](https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5d6c/84e7cd46d0a520ad6784a0f7f6825ef83685.pdf). > Abstract. The assumption that acquired characteristics are not inherited is often taken to imply that the adaptations t hat an organism learns during its lifetime cannot guide the course of evolution. This inference is incorrect [2]. Learning alters the shape of the search space in which evolution operates and thereby provides good evolutionary paths towards sets of co-adapted alleles. We demonstrate that this effect allows learning organisms to evolve *much* faster than their non-learning equivalents, even though the characteristics acquired by the phenotype are not communicated to the genotype.
i'm mostly familiar with his earlier work. he has published some stuff on evolutionary genetics, including an edited textbook. the extended evolutionary synthesis stuff is good, but I can't see how people unfamiliar with evolutionary theory (as are most rationalists) would digest it. and they would probably be more confused than enlightened over the debates of modern vs extended synthesis
Ah OK, I wasn't sure if you were familiar with Pigliucci, that was mostly an offhand comment. I think his work on the extended synthesis might actually be of interest to some of them, though, due to their adherence to a near-cartoonish conception of neo-Darwinism. He also debated Big Yud and wrote a bunch of debunkings of transhumanist/rationalist stuff.
> their adherence to a near-cartoonish conception of neo-Darwinism you don't need to use "near" here, it's as cartoonish as it can be > He also debated Big Yud and wrote a bunch of debunkings of transhumanist/rationalist stuff. now here's what i would call fun. do you have any links?
The video seems to be broken but there is a transcript of his debate with Yud here: https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1S-7CWOLOtLRDmMiS7LtVxELssUi3OI1-UcrPAzGMuH4/pub Paper on mind uploading: https://philpapers.org/rec/PIGMUA [Yudposting on Rationally Speaking](https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Arationallyspeaking.blogspot.com+yudkowsky&oq=site%3Arationallyspeaking.blogspot.com+yudkowsky&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.10094j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) [Transhumanism posts](https://www.google.com/search?ei=hA35WsLqBMjy5gLyxpOIDw&q=site%3Arationallyspeaking.blogspot.com+transhumanism&oq=site%3Arationallyspeaking.blogspot.com+transhumanism&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4536.6437.0.6663.13.11.0.0.0.0.355.979.7j1j0j1.9.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..4.0.0....0.k2yHWCh9xlI)
damn thanks also I managed to find the video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onvAl4SQ5-Q

Madness and Civilization - Michel Foucault (or really anything by Foucault, but this in particular). Good introduction to the ways science, even when it is true and accurate, is used as a tool by the powerful to bludgeon the powerless and make sure they stay in their “rightful place”.

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - Thomas Kuhn. Good demonstration of how scientific progress doesn’t work the way most rationalists think it works.

Against Method - Paul Feyerabend. Continuation of the above theme from Kuhn. Actually more radical than even I accept, but it wouldn’t kill them to at least be exposed to it.

Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center - bell hooks. Much more approachable and accessible than most feminist writing, which sometimes has an unfortunate tendency to stray into the tendency of modern academia of opaque verbosity.

Fifth, basically any SF book that’s neither “heroic Men of Science save the day with their superior intelligence”, nor military SF. I don’t care which, pick one. It could be The Dispossessed, Solaris, Xenogenesis, whatever. I hate to jump into the annoying “lol stop reading white male authors” thing, because that’s always reductive and unhelpful, but it sort of fits here.

I love *Against Method*.

If these people could read, they wouldn’t be like this.

As FashionSense has already pointed out, just assigning people readings isn’t really going to change their mind. If someone’s reading Yud and Hanson then they’re probably already rather dedicated to a certain right-wing outlook. Peterson I would include in this group less because of his viral fame, I think he’s reaching a lot of people who are basically just dupes and aren’t really as committed ideologically.

I became curious about leftism in the wake of the global financial crisis - there will probably be a lot more room to talk to “Rationalists” after the silicon valley bubble bursts.

Anyway, here’s a few recommendations (most are pretty short, Fanon’s piece is the longest):

Lenin - The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism

Engels - Socialism: Utopian and Scientific

Marx - Value, Price and Profit

Aime Cesaire - Discourse on Colonialism

Frantz Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth

I think giving effective alternatives has to do with what they are motivated to read and study. I don’t really think people study stuff for studying in itself. Certain things are going to pique their interest. I see that you mention a lot of things that have to do with the left perspective. That’s certainly useful for some people who are not already on the left. For example, if somebody is poor and want to find out why, Chomsky might be a good alternative to them turning on the conservative talk show radio. But are rationalist-inclined people in a similar mode of seeking? Are they going to be open to, say, what socialism is really about? I don’t know myself. But in case you’re not considering the motivations of your audience you might just end up with a correct-the-record-on-leftism reading list that they might not be motivated to engage with.