Also, notice how it's only the leftists choosing violence. Maybe they were 'in a haze of fear and anger', and couldn't help but protest violently.
Is this uncharitable? No, don't worry, his first edit changed "mob" to "group" in the initial sentence. Good faith reflection, there.
It’s strange; one of the reasons I joined SSC was I was worried I was
trapped in a “liberal bubble” and needed to spend some time engaging
politely with intelligent people from the Right to remind myself that
decent people can have different politics.
…And instead I learned that 1) they’re about a million times worse
than I thought and 2) Antifa are 100% right about how they should be
engaged - let the
boots do the talking.
Scott successfully convinced me that I was in a bit of a bubble and there were stronger arguments against my positions than I thought. But if I'm being honest, the subreddit's been eating into that newfound good will for a while now.
>It's strange; one of the reasons I joined SSC was I was worried I was trapped in a "liberal bubble" and needed to spend some time engaging politely with intelligent people from the Right to remind myself that decent people can have different politics.
SSC and the larger lesswronger community bank *so heavily* on this narrative, and once you take a step back it becomes clear that the whole narrative acts as a mechanism to try to push left-leaning people rightward
it kinda falls apart though because everyone they find to be their designated Intelligent Decent Right-Winger is an utterly repugnant monster of a person (remember when they chose *nydwracu*, of all people??)
One problem I've encountered with the online right is that they can be blind to their own groupthink. They will (accurately) observe that many liberals live in an information bubble. The part they don't say out loud is that they believe that if people are shook out of the bubble, they'll naturally gravitate to the right, because to them, the right isn't a position, it's just "common sense". So they constantly try to "red pill" liberals out of their bubble.
Where it goes wrong is they don't realize there's no guarantee that redpilling somebody will automatically bring them to the right. It seems just as likely that somebody "waking up" to their position in a bubble will swing left, or swing to a third position.
> I was worried I was trapped in a "liberal bubble"
I've never really understood this argument when tested against the real world. It turns out there are ample supplies of racism and other bigotry out there in the world, whether you're looking or not.
Like, is there supposed to be some sort of daily nutritional requirement of poisonous fuckwittery.
Look, it’s really important that people should be able to march the
streets raving about blacks and jews. I’m on the left myself, but
someone has to stand up to those SJW cucks before it becomes literally
illegal to be white in this country.
OP’s linked comment is fucking gilded. Warning: play-by-play. This
one ticked me off.
Maybe in that final minute he chose to become an unprovoked
murderer
Maybe he was a rational free agent. But no, that’s not common. Plz
don’t punish this one.
Other scummy murders, fine, they made their choice, they get the
needle.
but this is also unlikely given that a murderer would probably have
worked up more speed than the mere ~25 mph that he collided at.
It’s not murder if your car can’t accelerate fast enough to kill only
one person.
Fields found himself boxed in on a side street, and in a haze of fear
and anger
whoops, where did my agency go?
the jury has handed a blank check to radical activists to use
violence and intimidation to occupy public spaces, secure in the
knowledge that the situation they precipitated will not be taken into
consideration should anyone strike them back.
a blank check to not be struck back intentionally with a car
As far as the law is concerned today, Fields is every bit as guilty
as if he had just made the premeditated decision to plow through a group
of pedestrians in a crosswalk for the sadistic fun of it. This is an
obvious farce, and empowers bullies
Those damn bullies who don’t like to be intentionally hit by cars are
even more likely to not be intentionally hit by cars. smdh
in the same way all context-erasing zero-tolerance-policies do.
Yeah, if only there was a public setting where elected officials,
peers, and well-paid professionals have a chance to consider the context
of the actions. Instead, we get … blind policies.
By not opting for any lesser charge, the jury has handed a blank
check to radical activists to use violence and intimidation to occupy
public spaces
By giving a radical activist who used violence and intimidation to
occupy a public space a life sentence?! Unless Nazis don’t
count as “radical activists” lmao
They are [about to](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/a2lipn/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_december_03/ebe1igo/) ban PMMeYourJerkyRecipes for promoting violence while *not* banning the self-identified white nationalist for saying that ramming over protestors should be legal. I don't know if "cowards" quite covers it; on some level, the mods find nazis more acceptable than arguments against nazis.
I think I was confusing you with PMMeExistentialDread, actually. You both posted similar comments in that thread, you have similar user names, and my RES upvote count is at about the same number for both of you. Are you the same person?
Ahh, gotcha.
I'm annoyed at myself for posting in that thread, BTW. I knew that they'd just frame the debate as "why are you so mean to right-wingers?" and sure enough; their subreddit being full of Nazis was waaaay less of an issue for them than me being \*gasp* UNCHARITABLE.
No doubt I just ended up reinforcing their prior beliefs about how they're all persecuted free thinkers.
Yeah, for this reason I'm sometimes glad I'm banned.
Btw, ExistentialDread did end up getting banned: https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/a2lipn/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_december_03/ebhhrxn/
Gotta love the self-admitted
white nationalist complaining about the violence committed by evil
leftists against innocent vehicles.
Why not just own your shit? You’re in favor of use
of force in order to reverse the ‘dispossession of white people’,
which is your
five-levels-removed-because-you’d-never-have-the-balls-to-actually-get-your-hands-dirty
way of saying ‘ethnic cleansing’, so how now this pearl clutching? Own
your shit, /u/anechoicmedia.
Advocate for a white ethnostate where you expel non-whites from America?
>Completely acceptable on r/ssc.
Say we should punch Nazis?
>Advocating violence, three day ban.
Incredible how well the mods bootlick fascist users, protect them and baby them.
As the [third rule](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/91th1q/new_rules_for_sneers/) for the subreddit clearly explains, this is not a place to debate racists. So don't ping the racists and invite them in, because they're just gonna use the opportunity to try to 'debate' (= spread their ideology). And hey, that's exactly what happened in this thread!
Edit: Oh hey, this is actually also the fourth rule.
Banned for a week for forcing me to clean up after your shit.
>user reports:
>1: Hello white nationalist
While it's superficially funny for me to reply to this wanker by quoting this report, it also chokes up my mod queue, and y'all have been *really* abusing the report button lately: don't do it.
If you want to report somebody for being not just a dickhead, but a racist, or whateverthefuck, do that. If possible I want a summary of the *actual* issue because I don't tend to want to bother reading the stupid shit idiots like this say. Ya dig?
Responding to comments like this is of questionable utility, because
it’s just a concentrated dump of “I don’t like you, violence against you
is good”. We’re seeing a lot of that today.
I don’t know how to really square this with the fact that it’s being
said in the defense of a murderer who plowed into a group of
protesters.
Ugh we live in a wild time, where people trust the narrative over
what they can see with their own two eyes. Watch the video, you see dude
pick up speed and clear open ground before ramming people. How is that
not intentional? The only debate should be between 1st and 2nd (ie did
he go to the rally looking for an opportunity or did he snap?), not
whether or not he did it at all ffs
Note how he assigns no agency to Fields at all. Everything is driven by the actions of wicked leftists.
Fascists would be pathetic if they weren’t so vile.
It’s strange; one of the reasons I joined SSC was I was worried I was trapped in a “liberal bubble” and needed to spend some time engaging politely with intelligent people from the Right to remind myself that decent people can have different politics.
…And instead I learned that 1) they’re about a million times worse than I thought and 2) Antifa are 100% right about how they should be engaged - let the boots do the talking.
He killed someone
See, when I post things like that I get my comment deleted for sarcasm, but if you say it unironically you get gilded.
Look, it’s really important that people should be able to march the streets raving about blacks and jews. I’m on the left myself, but someone has to stand up to those SJW cucks before it becomes literally illegal to be white in this country.
OP’s linked comment is fucking gilded. Warning: play-by-play. This one ticked me off.
Maybe he was a rational free agent. But no, that’s not common. Plz don’t punish this one.
Other scummy murders, fine, they made their choice, they get the needle.
It’s not murder if your car can’t accelerate fast enough to kill only one person.
whoops, where did my agency go?
a blank check to not be struck back intentionally with a car
Those damn bullies who don’t like to be intentionally hit by cars are even more likely to not be intentionally hit by cars. smdh
Yeah, if only there was a public setting where elected officials, peers, and well-paid professionals have a chance to consider the context of the actions. Instead, we get … blind policies.
are you shitting me
By giving a radical activist who used violence and intimidation to occupy a public space a life sentence?! Unless Nazis don’t count as “radical activists” lmao
Goddamn but the mods of /r/SSC are a bunch of limp-dick cowards.
Gotta love the self-admitted white nationalist complaining about the violence committed by evil leftists against innocent vehicles.
Why not just own your shit? You’re in favor of use of force in order to reverse the ‘dispossession of white people’, which is your five-levels-removed-because-you’d-never-have-the-balls-to-actually-get-your-hands-dirty way of saying ‘ethnic cleansing’, so how now this pearl clutching? Own your shit, /u/anechoicmedia.
Sentencing hasn’t happened yet. What a sad, chronic masturbator.
This trash is unreal.
I don’t know how to really square this with the fact that it’s being said in the defense of a murderer who plowed into a group of protesters.
Ugh we live in a wild time, where people trust the narrative over what they can see with their own two eyes. Watch the video, you see dude pick up speed and clear open ground before ramming people. How is that not intentional? The only debate should be between 1st and 2nd (ie did he go to the rally looking for an opportunity or did he snap?), not whether or not he did it at all ffs
Wait. What is the difference between starslatecodex and slatestarcodex?
The crying Nazi meme, I think, captures this genre of reaction pretty well.