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/r/SSC user posts a meme, gets downvoted and banned - just kidding, the meme was pro-HBD so he gets no ban and 50 upvotes (https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/achgor/rssc_user_posts_a_meme_gets_downvoted_and_banned/)
posted on January 04, 2019 11:53 AM by u/895158
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I think this is very unfair; in all my time on /r/slatestarcodex poking fun at all the nazi nerds, I’ve never resorted to an outright meme, as I assumed the mods would shut that shit down. Had I known that Patrick memes get an exception… why, I would have had so much fun! For example, to j9461701 if you are reading this, a Patrick meme just for you. It even has the same beginning as yours:

“So we have overwhelming evidence IQ is mostly genetic yes?”

“Yup.”

“And we know IQ tests are very good measures of g factor, which is as close to true multi-factor intelligence as we’ve ever found”

“Current research data says that’s accurate”

“And we have had large increases in virtually all IQ tests over the second half of the 20th century all over the world, increases too large to be attributed to genes, right?”

“Sounds accurate”

“So then you’d have to agree that just because something is ‘mostly genetic’ it does not mean that environmental impacts cannot have a large effect on it?”

“That’s unscientific PC nonsense and I will not tolerate it!”

u/CedarHorns 68 points at 1546608849.000000

The best part is the poster’s comment on a reply that pointed out the impact of the non-genetic portion of IQ: >Do we observe that? This sounds sarcastic but I genuinely don’t know. Human biology isn’t one of the things I know a lot about.

Maybe if you don’t know much about human biology you shouldn’t be posting racist memes that claim your position to be the scientific one?

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u/DELETED 33 points at 1546621203.000000
It's weird to see one of them break kayfabe like that.
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u/RandyColins 19 points at 1546637025.000000
It's an oddly common phenomenon once you get in the habit of [pulling on loose strings.](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/a6n725/which_technologies_hypothetical_or_real_have_the/ebxwxgp/)
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u/PMMeYourJerkyRecipes 22 points at 1546651781.000000
He's losing the argument so bad he's retreated into arguing there's no scientific literature on sleep deprivation, then you get a week-long ban for saying "google it"? I swear, **TP0** has blackmail material on the mods or something. Dude might be the biggest piece of shit on that subreddit (at risk of pointing out the obvious; his name is a transphobic slur), but somehow not only does he never get in trouble for constant rule-braking and general bad faith behaviour, people who argue with him seem to get banned a hell of a lot.
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u/DELETED 5 points at 1546657861.000000
On the other hand, if i was trying to moderate a subreddit supposedly focused on high quality discussion, i can understand being really annoyed at people who say "google it".
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u/SecretsAndPies 19 points at 1546677371.000000
TFW you're trying to moderate a high quality discussion forum and you realize you're on ssc.
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u/DELETED 3 points at 1546678129.000000
hmm, today i will moderate my high quality discussion forum <--- clueless
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u/PMMeYourJerkyRecipes 17 points at 1546660773.000000
If your opponent demands you prove the existence of something that obviously exists, they're already acting in bad faith. "Google it" is a reasonable response. In this case; **TP0** doesn't want to talk about the possibility that sleep deprivation might impact IQ test performance (because it destroys his argument), so he's trying to pivot. By getting **RandyColins** to link to some specific scientific papers, TP0 can instead argue about the quality of those papers or otherwise change the subject. **RandyColins** doesn't take the bait and gets banned for it.
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u/DELETED -2 points at 1546663107.000000
I don't agree that a response to a bad-faith "opponent" (interesting choice of word) is likewise acting in bad faith - on discussion boards like reddit a conversation isn't just for the benefit of the participants but also for the people reading it. If youre talking about something IRL you can just say "fuck off" and leave because you only have to worry about how you and the other person will read it, but i don't think that makes sense to encourage on reddit (again, for a board like SSC with a fairly specific purpose).
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u/PMMeYourJerkyRecipes 17 points at 1546664199.000000
>I don't agree that a response to a bad-faith "opponent" (interesting choice of word) Oh fuck off.
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u/DELETED 7 points at 1546665600.000000
Sorry, was just trying to make a joke there :(. I side with Randy here and generally this sub...
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u/N0_B1g_De4l 16 points at 1546706900.000000
If I was trying to moderate a sub for high quality discussion I think I would probably start with "no usernames that are transphobic insults".
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u/completely-ineffable 9 points at 1546710584.000000
Just one way in which sneerclub has higher quality discussions than r/SSC.
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u/DELETED 3 points at 1546708217.000000
ys thats fucked up .
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u/RandyColins 3 points at 1546715915.000000
As it so happens, I explained the [rationale behind my choice of words](https://www.reddit.com/r/CultureWarRoundup/comments/a6wvab/rssc_xpost_culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of/ec2f6p5/) elsewhere.
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u/DELETED 12 points at 1546637108.000000
Hee!
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u/vistandsforwaifu 46 points at 1546606993.000000

“And we know IQ tests are very good measures of g factor, which is as close to true multi-factor intelligence as we’ve ever found”

I can’t stop boggling at how horridly stupid this sentence is. Every read makes me feel some more gray cells evaporating away.

I guess I’ll go read some astrology almanacs for a change of pace, which - as we all know - are as close to true prediction of future as we’ve ever found.

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u/DELETED 36 points at 1546618848.000000
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u/DELETED 30 points at 1546619439.000000
Mostly when it's exactly what they want to be true.
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u/notallowedtopost 29 points at 1546625664.000000
It's definitely how they approach any attempt at giving POC the kind of opportunities that could eventually close the IQ gap. "Well we already tried giving black schools more money and it didn't work, so there's no reason to think that we could help black students in any way."
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u/DELETED 26 points at 1546630068.000000
Remember when the subprime mortgage collapse was caused by authoritarian liberals forcing the poor banks to make risky loans to minorities, knowing they were genetically incapable of making good on them?
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u/noactuallyitspoptart 8 points at 1546692531.000000
Reading about that train of thought really fucked me up because I spent a lot of time on philosophy of science specifically because of the subprime mortgage collapse and wider crisis in general
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u/dgerard 3 points at 1546737752.000000
I got one of these guys yesterday in a podcast interview, where he tried to get me to justify the SEC's existence in realtime, in the face of FORCED MORTGAGES TO THE POORS
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u/Snugglerific 18 points at 1546659853.000000
Look, I put a whole dollar into the Ronald McDonald House donation box and poverty still exists. Welfare is doomed to fail.
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u/yemwez 15 points at 1546667250.000000
By giving them money, you’re only incentivizing children to get cancer. Why do you like sick children?
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u/bighunt16 44 points at 1546622523.000000

The non-genetic portion of IQ is randomness. The shared environmental portion of IQ is zero.

Definitely no bad faith here.

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u/Kiss_Me_Im_Rational 31 points at 1546612231.000000

“So then you’d have to agree that just because something is ‘mostly genetic’ it does not mean that environmental impacts cannot have a large effect on it?”

you have to know basic biology or basic stats to understand that.

or, you know, not be a racist

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u/rnykal 24 points at 1546636839.000000

This reminds me of this great article I saw showing how group differences in traits can be caused by environment even with 100% heritability.

Here’s the gist if you’re pressed for time

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u/Comrade_Hodgkinson 36 points at 1546607752.000000

I’m really loving how offended they get at being called out for racism, it shows their hand. If they had actually calmly and rationally proved racial supremacy, it wouldn’t be racism, it would simply be science.

Instead, they seem a bit touchy that their claims might be examined, a bit afraid of scrutiny or inquiry. When confronted with evidence to the contrary, all they have is downvotes. So rational.

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u/RandyColins 28 points at 1546620776.000000
What’s even weirder is their attachment to the word “race.” Like, there are *other words* you can use, dude.
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u/michapman2 17 points at 1546662756.000000
Weirdly, I think they’re pretty cool about tone policing and rhetoric based arguments. If you point out that writing a fake dialogue where you make your opponents look stupid might not be a convincing argument, they seem to agree. But if you go after the thin factual basis for their arguments they unleash a flurry of downvotes.
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u/DELETED 12 points at 1546672556.000000
> writing a fake dialogue where you make your opponents look stupid This is a huge and essential part of Scott Alexander's shtick. (Presumably qualifying as "microhumor.")
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u/michapman2 6 points at 1546698179.000000
For a second (when I was looking at my comment reply notifications) I thought you were talking about the baseball player and was thrown for a loop.
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