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One socialist says to the other: “I notice you’re reading TheMotte! I
can’t understand why. An alt-right subreddit! Are you some kind of
masochist?”
“On the contrary. When I used to read the left-wing websites, all I
learned about were concentration camps, mass shootings, and fascism in
America. But now that I read TheMotte, I see so much more: that the left
wing controls all the tech companies, that we dominate in academia, and
that we’re on the verge of taking over the entire world. You know – it
makes me feel a whole lot better!”
You guys, this is obviously true. Can’t you tell from all the leftist
policies that society enacts like “locking children in cages” or “having
a private insurance market” or “not punishing cops who murder black
people”? That’s exactly what the left wants, and they have never
complained about any of those things ever.
The goal of the left is not to dominate media and academia,
the goal of the left is to stop people being shot by the
cops for no reason or dying in the streets because they can’t afford
insulin.
It’s like it’s completely alien to these people that the left might
actually believe what we say and genuinely want to help people? Oh, so
charitable.
\*extremely nerds voice\* Excuse me, actually getting shot by cops for no reason is the default state. Animals in nature get shot by cops all the time.
The Slate Star Codex subreddit used to have Culture War Roundup threads. These naturally got a reputation for attracting fascists, and eventually Scott didn't want to deal with being associated with them, partly because of things Sneerclubbers were saying about him. So the SSC subreddit stopped hosting the Culture War threads and they got moved to a new subreddit that wasn't officially associated with SSC.
SSC's racist brother/child. The containment thread which was created by SSC's 'lets discuss everything rationally like adults' ways. A place for witches (from scotts ['The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong.'](https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/) quote, with witches being sexists/transphobes/and neonazi types).
>SJW's who have taken over places like Google
i mean when a man can't even air his thoughts^* without being fired, you know leftist SJW postmodernist neo-Marxists run the place.
^^^*by ^^^publishing ^^^a ^^^3.4K ^^^word ^^^manifesto ^^^explaining ^^^that ^^^women ^^^are ^^^biologically ^^^predisposed ^^^to ^^^technological ^^^inferiority ^^^on ^^^a ^^^corporate ^^^mailing ^^^list
This is sadly bog standard right wing thinking, they just don’t get
the left at all. Also note the nice setup for a motte/bailey that allows
the poster to not think at all about the left via the ‘If you’re a
hardcore Stalin-loving Marxist, I get it.’
Much of the left’s power is concentrated in consumer culture and TV,
such as HBO, Disney, Target, and Netflix. And to a lesser extent in
Washington and cable news.
Hahaha… this is what happens when you think the left only cares about
diversity. Famous left wing organization, Disney.
How many political movements can get CEOs of major tech companies to
cut short their holidays to fire some rando for posting a bunch of
studies that contradict a part of their worldview? Or get an executive
fired for donating his private money to organizations that oppose
them?Or get people they don’t like cut off from tech infrastructure?
Somebody please think of the poor powerful CEO’s of tech companies
who have to react to rare events.
There was a time when conservatives used to have this sort of power,
but nowadays the progressive coalition has a virtual monopoly on it.
Conservatives firing gay people is the same as the left firing
homophobes. Radical centrism.
There is a lot of ‘the left/progressives’ (because terms have little
meaning and these things are the same /s) are both powerful and weak in
that thread.
> Somebody please think of the poor powerful CEO's of tech companies who have to react to rare events.
>
>
Remember that time [Scott claimed billionaires were oppressed](https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/b47t9t/seeing_like_a_communist/ej500kg/) because people were mean to them on Twitter?
>The richest people in the world spend most of their time constantly apologizing to everyone for trumped up charges, and loudly (one might say fearfully) confessing they don’t deserve their wealth.
Genuinely: the most insane belief rationalists have is that bullshit internet drama that maybe .01% of the world even hears about is what actually *matters*, while politics doesn't.
> Much of the left's power is concentrated in consumer culture and TV, such as HBO, Disney, Target, and Netflix.
One of these things is not like the other.
*capitalism makes a gigantic, cheap home goods store* "These damn leftists."
Only leftists can enjoy such an unrealistic feminst cultural marxist show like that, don't they know it is impossible for women to beat men in combat? So unrealistic! Modern hollywood is filled with leftwing cucks white knights soyboys!
The OP claims to be “seriously trying to understand the thought
process here”, which is why they asked /r/TheMotte, preeminent center of
leftist thought.
So far, the incredibly charitable answers include: “They’re lying
about feeling powerless!”, “They’re slavishly devoted to Whig history
and feel betrayed that they haven’t totally triumphed yet!”, “Their
organisations stoke fear to continue to exist!” and “they’re secretly
aware progressive ideology is doomed!”.
Mmm yes leftists just love it when their ideas and values are
recuperated by corporations in order to profit off of left-leaning
centrists looking to ease their conscience by altering consumption
habits.
“It’s working, it’s working!” they chant, rubbing their hands
together, as the US slips into a utopia of equal screentime for
minorities and workplaces where saying racist things gets you fired.
It depends on what you mean by “the left”. If “left” is bland
cultural liberalism then yeah, the left dominates a lot of institutions.
If “left” is Bernie and AOC then no.
The silicon valley bros are on my side? That’s fucking news
to me.
When they’re not neoreactionaries, libertarians, sociopaths, or
literal vampires, they tend to be enlightened centrist utopians who
think that machines and algorithms can solve problems that have social
components. Which inherently means never taking sides and always
treating your customers (data cows?) as equal, regardless of whether
they are 4chan nazis or antifascists.
That’s a political stand, like it or not. And it’s anti-left, and not
just against what one commenter in that thread calls “stalin-loving
marxists” (real big demographic there, bud). This is how we get
situations like Steven Crowder being allowed to be a total piece of shit
in front of his millions of subscribers, spewing the vilest hate speech,
knowing that his minions will harass his targets without mercy, all
while YouTube says “he hasn’t broken any rules” on the one hand and
impotently demonetizing him on the other – a “solution” that pisses off
every party, ignores basic ethics and morality, and utterly fails to
even approach any sense of justice.
Fuck silicon valley. It’s nothing more than an enclave of emotionally
stunted nerds who want to build apps that take over the chores their
mommies used to do for them, using machines and exploited human
labour.
Y’know, there are times when I am really envious of the tools that
conservatives have in their arsenal. Whenever I read some tedious
whinging about the big mean SJW universities, media, big tech, blah blah
blah I can’t help but think of how nice it would be to have some
left-wing Trump pull out the “if you don’t like it you can leave”
card.
They literally just said exactly the truth. Actual leftists are
powerless, but milquetoast neoliberals like HRC, Booker, Harris, etc.
have all the power in the world.
Edit: the tone they’re using seems to reveal the person who’s saying
it is against the left in general, but even a broken clock is right
twice a day
all of these alleged centers of leftist domination are corporate-run
industries that are neutering the left.
TV series like brooklyn 99 with its anti-racism and multicultural
representation, while also being pro-police propaganda
it’s common for movies to get some funding and filming locations
from US natsec bodies and the result is blatant propaganda in every film
depicting the US military, air force, CIA, FBI. this is public
information that
some academic scholars transform leftism (and especially marxism)
into an intellectual pursuit rather than a robust political movement. it
is also a hub of reactionary and neoliberal ideology. this is on top of
tenorships being highly discriminatory
silicon valley… honestly i don’t know where to begin, how broken
does your brain have to be for this one
you don’t have to be a “stalin-loving marxist” to see the NYT and
other highly respected outlets constantly putting out natsec propaganda,
racist shit, misogynist shit, pro-regime change shit, right-wing zionist
shit, etc. look at what senior editors have done just this
week!
this is just laughable honestly these dudes never bothered to find
out who their opponents are and what they believe. they just KNOW
feminists control google because james damore was fired for shitting on
his colleagues
Left: The right has all three branches of government
Right: Because people love us more!
Left: But doesn’t that mean we’re powerless and isolated?
Right: No! The left has universities and news outlets! That’s
cULTurAl power
Left: So if news is cultural power, then what about Fox and Sinclair?
If researchers have cultural power, what about the need for grants and
funding from corporations or right-wing government institutions?
Right: Well tHE rEPUBlicanS arEN’T gETTIng aNytHINg pASSEd iN
cONGresS thAT’s clEARly the dEMOCRats’ fAULt
One socialist says to the other: “I notice you’re reading TheMotte! I can’t understand why. An alt-right subreddit! Are you some kind of masochist?”
“On the contrary. When I used to read the left-wing websites, all I learned about were concentration camps, mass shootings, and fascism in America. But now that I read TheMotte, I see so much more: that the left wing controls all the tech companies, that we dominate in academia, and that we’re on the verge of taking over the entire world. You know – it makes me feel a whole lot better!”
You guys, this is obviously true. Can’t you tell from all the leftist policies that society enacts like “locking children in cages” or “having a private insurance market” or “not punishing cops who murder black people”? That’s exactly what the left wants, and they have never complained about any of those things ever.
Oh my god, how dense are these people?
The goal of the left is not to dominate media and academia, the goal of the left is to stop people being shot by the cops for no reason or dying in the streets because they can’t afford insulin.
It’s like it’s completely alien to these people that the left might actually believe what we say and genuinely want to help people? Oh, so charitable.
i thought techbros were all persecuted “grey tribers” who were the good guys? this is all so confusing.
This is sadly bog standard right wing thinking, they just don’t get the left at all. Also note the nice setup for a motte/bailey that allows the poster to not think at all about the left via the ‘If you’re a hardcore Stalin-loving Marxist, I get it.’
Hahaha… this is what happens when you think the left only cares about diversity. Famous left wing organization, Disney.
Somebody please think of the poor powerful CEO’s of tech companies who have to react to rare events.
Conservatives firing gay people is the same as the left firing homophobes. Radical centrism.
There is a lot of ‘the left/progressives’ (because terms have little meaning and these things are the same /s) are both powerful and weak in that thread.
The OP claims to be “seriously trying to understand the thought process here”, which is why they asked /r/TheMotte, preeminent center of leftist thought.
So far, the incredibly charitable answers include: “They’re lying about feeling powerless!”, “They’re slavishly devoted to Whig history and feel betrayed that they haven’t totally triumphed yet!”, “Their organisations stoke fear to continue to exist!” and “they’re secretly aware progressive ideology is doomed!”.
Imagine calling CAP a Leftist organization. Stupid beyond parody
Mmm yes leftists just love it when their ideas and values are recuperated by corporations in order to profit off of left-leaning centrists looking to ease their conscience by altering consumption habits.
“It’s working, it’s working!” they chant, rubbing their hands together, as the US slips into a utopia of equal screentime for minorities and workplaces where saying racist things gets you fired.
I love how this completely obscures the very real animosity between academics, journalists and techbros as groups
It depends on what you mean by “the left”. If “left” is bland cultural liberalism then yeah, the left dominates a lot of institutions. If “left” is Bernie and AOC then no.
The silicon valley bros are on my side? That’s fucking news to me.
When they’re not neoreactionaries, libertarians, sociopaths, or literal vampires, they tend to be enlightened centrist utopians who think that machines and algorithms can solve problems that have social components. Which inherently means never taking sides and always treating your customers (data cows?) as equal, regardless of whether they are 4chan nazis or antifascists.
That’s a political stand, like it or not. And it’s anti-left, and not just against what one commenter in that thread calls “stalin-loving marxists” (real big demographic there, bud). This is how we get situations like Steven Crowder being allowed to be a total piece of shit in front of his millions of subscribers, spewing the vilest hate speech, knowing that his minions will harass his targets without mercy, all while YouTube says “he hasn’t broken any rules” on the one hand and impotently demonetizing him on the other – a “solution” that pisses off every party, ignores basic ethics and morality, and utterly fails to even approach any sense of justice.
Fuck silicon valley. It’s nothing more than an enclave of emotionally stunted nerds who want to build apps that take over the chores their mommies used to do for them, using machines and exploited human labour.
Y’know, there are times when I am really envious of the tools that conservatives have in their arsenal. Whenever I read some tedious whinging about the big mean SJW universities, media, big tech, blah blah blah I can’t help but think of how nice it would be to have some left-wing Trump pull out the “if you don’t like it you can leave” card.
They literally just said exactly the truth. Actual leftists are powerless, but milquetoast neoliberals like HRC, Booker, Harris, etc. have all the power in the world.
Edit: the tone they’re using seems to reveal the person who’s saying it is against the left in general, but even a broken clock is right twice a day
all of these alleged centers of leftist domination are corporate-run industries that are neutering the left.
TV series like brooklyn 99 with its anti-racism and multicultural representation, while also being pro-police propaganda
it’s common for movies to get some funding and filming locations from US natsec bodies and the result is blatant propaganda in every film depicting the US military, air force, CIA, FBI. this is public information that
some academic scholars transform leftism (and especially marxism) into an intellectual pursuit rather than a robust political movement. it is also a hub of reactionary and neoliberal ideology. this is on top of tenorships being highly discriminatory
silicon valley… honestly i don’t know where to begin, how broken does your brain have to be for this one
you don’t have to be a “stalin-loving marxist” to see the NYT and other highly respected outlets constantly putting out natsec propaganda, racist shit, misogynist shit, pro-regime change shit, right-wing zionist shit, etc. look at what senior editors have done just this week!
this is just laughable honestly these dudes never bothered to find out who their opponents are and what they believe. they just KNOW feminists control google because james damore was fired for shitting on his colleagues
Left: The right has all three branches of government
Right: Because people love us more!
Left: But doesn’t that mean we’re powerless and isolated?
Right: No! The left has universities and news outlets! That’s cULTurAl power
Left: So if news is cultural power, then what about Fox and Sinclair? If researchers have cultural power, what about the need for grants and funding from corporations or right-wing government institutions?
Right: Well tHE rEPUBlicanS arEN’T gETTIng aNytHINg pASSEd iN cONGresS thAT’s clEARly the dEMOCRats’ fAULt
If you told them woke nonsense is a tool that capitalist gleefully use to neuter the left their heads would explode.