How can we design a minimalist set of legal & governmental
incentives such that this cruise ship could be made up of 90%
ex-convicts and things would still be safe, prosperous, and the world
being made a better place.
How would you design a minimalist set of legal and governmental
incentives that have this property?
I don’t know but prediction markets seem like an interesting
start
e3: Turns out, just to dock a cruise ship in a port can cost between
1k - 10k dollars a day. Doesn’t any of these geeks sail?
My understanding is their exist a great number of small or poor
countries that wouldn’t have the firepower to outgun 200 dedicated
American Libertarians, let alone project an ocean or two over to get to
them.
Love how these dorks always forget efficient markets hypothesis when it comes to their fantasies of creating a Galtian paradise.
1) If it were that easy to just bum rush a country and declare your own sovereignty, someone else would have done it already.
2) ... and they have.
i was thinking your venezuela thing meant the opposite. my comment should have been cries in hawaii as americans did take over by force a sovereign state
Yeah, the comment in your first edit is the one that really gets me. I mean, imagine thinking that any of those examples are actually supposed to buttress your case.
Yes, while I sympathize with some of the libertarian impulses (The ones who are more explicit in left libertarianism), right libertarianism is so weird and always so bad at picking examples and looking at history. Every time it my mind goes 'why did you pick those examples? Instead of ... normal ones, or ones that support your point'.
Of course transhumanism and AGI worries have the same problem. (I think it was Kurzweil who picked a few very 'out there' examples randomly in some of his books) so it prob has to do with a certain mindset. I prob did the same when younger.
I don’t think cruise ships would be large enough for major scientific
advancements to happen. “no more ethics” might speed things up, but
there’s limits on that because the ships will still have to trade with
onshore countries.
Oh, yes. The only possible downside to “no more ethics” is reluctance
of the outside world to trade with you.
this inspired me to check up on other libertarian paradises, such as liberland. you may remember that liberland attempted to hold a citizenship ceremony on its territory, but was blocked by both the serbian and croatian governments. in very libertarian fashion, they just went home.
well, they still haven't actually made it to their land! [they tried to hold a music festival, but didn't land on "their" land once again](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/europe/floating-man-liberland-a-tiny-festival-in-one-of-the-world-s-newest-and-smallest-states-1.3999920). they also forgot to pay 2 euros to use the landing strip in siberia. and [lol](https://floatingman.ll.land/)
> WARRNING – Osijek Airport is the nearest to the festival. Still, it is in Croatia territory, you might experience issues and delays on border cross [to Siberia]; for your own comfort do not mention you are attending a Liberandian event
Ow god liberland, somebody I know was sending them all kinds of postive messages for being such saviours of europe vs the islamic hordes and the left over facebook.
E: that guy is slowly turning into a neonazi in front of our eyes. Or going mask off, still, sad to see.
E2 could also have been a different attempt at creating a libertarian ethnostate btw.
Oh my god! You guys! I can’t even know to start! Startup companies as
an example of micro nations! IQ enhanced babies (screened for
compassion) as an economic export! Plus regulation free surgery!
Security will be provided by the US or Liberia! Many countries can’t
take on 200 libertarians!
Screened for or against compassion? Or do you just partition the pool, Brave New World-style into sacrificial carers (perhaps breeding them specifically to get an endorphin high from destroying themselves to “help”) and hyper-rational alphas with the pitiless gaze of the beast of prey?
The human blood point is a good one. Right now the US is one of the
only countries where it is legal to pay someone for blood plasma. As a
result, the US is essentially the world’s supplier of blood plasma.
(Most plasma donation centers are located in poor communities where
people can really use the money… there are health risks of doing it too
often etc.) I think it could be viable to have a cruise ship where you
go to someplace people are incredibly poor, let them get on your ship,
go out to international waters, have them give their plasma, monitor
their health as you come back to shore, give them a fat check by
developing country standards, and let them off the ship. You’d be
alleviating poverty and increasing the availability of critical medical
supplies. Everyone wins.
IQ-enhanced babies could also be huge. Obviously you’d want to filter
for some measure of compassion as well though.
I don’t wanna call libertarians self parodying, but they already
proposed their ships be financed with blood harvesting and baby
selling…
One advantage of a cruise ship as a micro-country is that most
micro-country ideas appeal mainly to male libertarians. But cruises
actually appeal to young women a great deal and are famously easy places
to get laid according to PUA forums.
I always thought Geoffrey Miller is annoying yet smart, but recently
he twittered something like in order to be concerned about climate
change you need to know whether you are more concerned about permafrost
melting or about methane clathrate melting, which is really some stupid
take.
I admit I don't get how anyone could see Miller as smart. Like, okay, at least he doesn't outright ramble incoherently, but it's not like he's ever said anything interesting or important. Genuinely, wtf is "smart" about him?
I never followed him actively, saw maybe a handful of retweets. I didn't want to make a point about him being smart, it was just how I categorized him before (and since I perceived him as annoying, I didn't further investigate).
My understanding is their exist a great number of small or poor
countries that wouldn’t have the firepower to outgun 200 dedicated
American Libertarians, let alone project an ocean or two over to get to
them.
Ow nice, the people having a ‘nerd reference’ fight. ‘Bioshock!’ ‘Snow Crash!’ ‘Diamond age!’
E: lolllllll, historical illiteracy indeed
e2:
e3: Turns out, just to dock a cruise ship in a port can cost between 1k - 10k dollars a day. Doesn’t any of these geeks sail?
…
Oh, yes. The only possible downside to “no more ethics” is reluctance of the outside world to trade with you.
Wow. That post has a high concentration of sneerability.
Sounds like a less literal poop cruise. Then again, libertarian waste management… wouldn’t rule it out.
Oh my god! You guys! I can’t even know to start! Startup companies as an example of micro nations! IQ enhanced babies (screened for compassion) as an economic export! Plus regulation free surgery! Security will be provided by the US or Liberia! Many countries can’t take on 200 libertarians!
I don’t wanna call libertarians self parodying, but they already proposed their ships be financed with blood harvesting and baby selling…
Wew
I always thought Geoffrey Miller is annoying yet smart, but recently he twittered something like in order to be concerned about climate change you need to know whether you are more concerned about permafrost melting or about methane clathrate melting, which is really some stupid take.
yesss
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