Since this happened just after i linked their thread and banned them
from sneerclub, and since it’s odd to choose to take a reddit break just
after agreeing to mod a new subreddit, I’m gonna take credit for
this.
Most ill-doers do not think of themselves as evil; indeed, most conceive themselves the heroes of the stories they tell. I once thought that the greatest evil in this world was done in the name of the greater good. I was wrong. Terribly wrong. There is evil in this world which knows itself for evil, and hates the good with all its strength. All fair things does it desire to destroy.
--Eliezer Yudkowsky
He once thought that the greatest evil in the world was done in the name of the greater good, then he came up with the super duper 3↑↑↑↑↑3 greatest good grift himself (and while most of his cash came from the likes of Thiel, some non-rich people with gullibility issues donated all of their spare money to him).
Yeah, I think the basic disconnect is that so many denizens of Motte or SSC think of it as MY PLACE where I have finally found MY PEOPLE, whereas Sneerclub subs have intellectually fulfilling lives outside of it. When I interact here, I'm not trying to fill a Scott-sized hole in my heart.
This is just a side-funzie thing, and nice to talk to people who once fell into the trap that is rationality/cfar/lw and have seen themselves out of it. That's it!
No one is getting their life defined by what they post to a relatively small subreddit. Well except it seems that people of those ssc/themotte/etc do in fact define themselves in relation to their activity there.
Well, how many of them actually *do anything* offline? Most of what I see is a bunch of people who sit around and talk online about how they’re not nationalists.
Tbh I’m glad they talk so much because it means they won’t *do anything to forward the agenda*.
> how many of them actually do anything offline?
That's something I've occasionally wondered. I don't observe a lot of their stories mentioning life outside work and home. Maybe this is a regional or generational thing, but an (online) community of people with no involvement in their real life community strikes me as odd. Where are the stories about playing sports, gardening, playing sports, volunteering, or the many other things that people fill their lives with? I realize the covid has changed a lot, but only for the last half year; there was a lot of life to live before then.
Given their views on so many topics, maybe it's good that they're apparently staying at home and reading bad philosophy.
I make a point of it to talk about stuff I’m up to when I go online - and I am extremely online - so my twitter account for example is littered with random shit I get up to, why would you be online and only obsessing yourself with boring race realism shit? It’s no wonder people who are so unfulfilled day-to-day would project that onto their (ridiculously) perceived “enemies”. Come on guys, you’re making a lot more money than I am, maybe spend some of it on going out in the hills or go diving in a lake!
I mean maybe but even if they weren’t specifically talking about the stuff they’re doing online, a lot of what they’re talking about sounds a lot like people who aren’t doing much offline.
For example they talk about maximizing their fitness. People who actually play sports don’t talk like that. They are busy working on their pitching or their running speed or something like that.
There’s a lot about how they’re talking about politics that suggests they’re not really all that engaged in a local community. They don’t seem to know anyone personally affected by policy. They’ve never known a woman who got pregnant and needed an abortion. They don’t know anyone who has trouble paying for medical care. They don’t talk about what their neighbors are worried about or how a law affects them or how Covid or the lockdowns affected their neighborhoods. If they knew someone affected even if they didn’t name names, they were talk about it.
> I don't recall anyone on sneerclub arguing unironically for shooting people and getting upvoted for it.
...
> I agree that of the two, TheMotte is more likely to produce someone who does something newsworthy.
> I agree that of the two, TheMotte is more likely to produce someone who does something newsworthy.
There it is again, that weird stance that looks for people who do newsworthy things. It is almost like they need their ideological enemies (as far as you can say somebody who shoves you in a locker is an ideological enemy) to be losers. Quantum Scott had the same thing where he went 'well at least people in sneerclub have never done anything worthwhile'. Which is so weird. Very high 'say what you want about the nazis, but at least their genocides were effective' energy.
I meant Scott Aaronson, but yes of course Alexander knows of this place, ~~he thinks this place is all about him and ... dunno he made up some things he said SC accused him off, in the typical overdramatic Scott fashion.~~ Nevermind on that, I can't find proof so I'm prob misremembering.
Sorry can't directly find it, I might edit it in later if I find it. But I did find [this](https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/02/different-worlds/), search for 'dgerard', where he isn't as mad about sneerclub as he was more recently.
High chance I can't find it if he decided to 'voldermort' the name of the sub that time. (E: for example he has called rationalwiki 'an unamed left wing wiki' (probably, obviously, if you don't use the correct name, it is hard to 100% know for certain)).
What’s the point of read a tiny sub like this so closely? Aren’t they grand thinkers, this subreddit has like 7k subs
Edit: so he refers to this sub like the denizens of the world of “Book-which-must-not-be-named” written by She who must not be named refer to the villain?
Well, can't find the post, so I prob misremembered.
There is this description of sneerclub in the [The culture war is dead, long live the culture war](https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread/) post.
> A subreddit devoted to insulting and mocking me personally and Culture War thread participants in general got started; it now has over 2,000 readers.
Dunno, I always get a lot of upvotes, and im so sutpid I can hardly finish a
E: also don't forget that on the internet the ratio readers to people reacting is on average 100:1.
Yeah, well it is standard practice not to link to this sub in ssc at least. I myself have complied with requests like that when I post in slatestarcodex (because I like the air of mystery which it gives the stupid nerds of this place ;) ). And yes, it is the 'he who must not be named' thing, Scott has referenced the 'Unaussprechlichen Zauberer' book before (even described his enemies as call in him 'literally Voldermort' in the overdramatic style I mentioned before (I think he did that in ['untitled'](https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/01/untitled/) anyway, you know Scott is about to strawman some of his detractors when he [STARTS TO QUOTE IN ALL CAPS](https://twitter.com/slatestarcodex/status/550147535113682944)).
Sorry for the high adhd energy in this post.
Scott SSC wrote this whole post about rationalwiki and me, that went out to his subscribers, before he achieved the miraculous human feeling of "embarrassment" and deleted the post. go looking, it's a hoot
Who would want to do anything newsworthy? Have you SEEN the news? If you had to come up with a new moral imperative, you could do a lot worse than "don't be in the news"
"elliot rodgers had a lot of good points and you're a low decoupler who hates freedom of speech if you laugh at me and call me names for saying so" - the genius super brain redditor, extremely high IQ, mega powerful genetics
They are taking our words Very Seriously, and there is no greater crime to someone like that than being mocking, playing fast and loose with words, sarcasm and general dismissery of them.
Are posts here in bad faith? Well, are comedians in bad faith? I'm not honestly trying to convince anyone of anything they don't already believe - it's called venting and preaching to the choir. I don't care to bother to convince them of how wrong they are. I just ain't got the time. I got an election to win bitch.
I am perfectly happy for /r/debateasneerclubber to exist as long as the mods don't let us respond to rationalists with anything but "get bent, loser scum"
This is going to go so well, with the current founder thinking
that the great majority of /r/TheMotte participants are thoughtful,
interesting, and reasonable people with unorthodox views.
Some of the best quotes from that thread.
I’d rather be in a place moderated by flat-Earthers or Jihadists than
a Sneerclubber
That said, SneerClub is really fucking bad, much worse than TheMotte
on its worst days.
sneerclub is for people who are compulsively dishonest
The central activity of the titular sneer club is based in smug
dishonesty. Smug dishonesty is such a core feature of every discussion I
have seen, that I don’t see how you can possibly interact with that
community and not be okay with that specific flavor of dishonesty.
This purpose is encouraged and enforced by the mod team, which
appears made up of critical theory types who find a wholesome, authentic
pleasure in bullying “nerds”.
This entire comment really
Just piggybacking off this because it jumped out at me too. It’s kind
of remarkable to call SneerClub bad and TheMotte bad in the same breath.
Whatever unacceptable percentage of witches you think infest TheMotte,
I’ve never seen a single worthwhile thought on SneerClub. Every couple
of months it comes up, and I think “Surely it’s not as bad as I’m
remembering”, and I go check, and sure enough it’s just the vapid, sour
grapes whining of losers who can’t endure disagreement without an
identity crisis. If TheSchism also generates sneers on SneerClub, that
would probably be a good sign.
It appears that 895158 cannot wash out the stain of being a former
contributor to /r/SneerClub so simply.
What I’m noticing, and why I picked some of the links I did (rather
than them being “the worst”), is that you’re using SneerClub’s
norms.
Your position here that it (SneerClub) has any redeeming value has
only cemented my decision to run away screaming and not look back.
simply knowing you post on sneerclub and are not ashamed is alone
enough to make me highly skeptical of your motives
My main problem is that from my perspective, without relitigating the
drama, you are massively directly responsible for some of the worst
radicalization and growing perception of radicalization of the other
community.
The people of the Sneer will never be defeated. Your hatred only
makes us grow stronger.
> This purpose is encouraged and enforced by the mod team, which appears made up of critical theory types who find a wholesome, authentic pleasure in bullying "nerds".
i too live in a 1980s high school comedy
I want a 1980s high school comedy where a bunch of Jocks are super into critical theory and post-structuralism and bully nerds by calling them state philosophers.
I'm not smugly dishonest... I'm just smug because they are playing checkers and I'm playing chess.
They can't even consider the places I'm going to because they've put on a little straitjacket called 'rationalism' and buckles labeled 'math' and 'bayes' and 'rigor'.
Do I look down on someone without morals who is willing to talk themselves into supporting shit like "HBD", why yes I do. And I look down on you if you don't either.
Place your bets on how long it takes for a member of theschism mod
team to declare their sub a bastion of “rational center-left pragmatism
in the manner of Mussolini’s Italy, as opposed to themotte’s overly
emotion-driven Germany”.
So if I follow this correctly: TracingWoodgrains and our very own,
definitely a SneerClub-controlled asset, part of experimental anti-nerd
secret project COINTELBRO, 895158, decided to do the by-now-familiar
Motte Flounce with
a totally original twist: their own subreddit (sigh), with
blackjack and hookers less bigotry, broadly defined.
Sneering tone aside: more power to ’em, if they can divert or stall
the radicalisation pipeline that’s great. If not, well, not about to
tell people not to waste time on the internet. That would just be
stupid. Though I think the writing
may be on the wall already vis-a-vis becoming another right-wing
shithole.
But it seems even the lessfash parts of the community still feel more
aggravation over having digital sand kicked in their virtual
faces by strong, handsome, extremely cool internet jocks than over the
literal deaths that have been, and are being, caused by online
right-wing radicalisation.
So here
we are. Being compulsively dishonest, in the habit of defining any
arbitrary string of words that comes out of a person we don’t like as
being proof they are a bigoted reactionary who only wants to cause
suffering and is not in favor of human flourishing, and - did I mention?
- incredibly good looking.
> sneering is not allowed in this sub.
And once again the white rationalists forget one important rationalist thing. They forgot to define what sneering is. You can't get facial expressions in text, so this will just start more witchhunts against people who are slightly dismissive against the popular political stances in the new sub.
And that is [the power of sneerclub](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg14jNbBb-8).
I am at least hoping that thread made the original creator of that
subreddit realize that the SSC/motte/LessWrong community is pure
unsalvageable toxic waste
I mean, the sort of personality type who figures that they'll sit down on their own and Arrive At Truth through the sheer power of their Smartness is going to definitely give a certain expected set of results...
So I made an account on Reddit just for you. You’re welcome. I hope
you like my username. Everything else that I tried was already taken.
Anyway, I’m just here to say that I will be watching this thread (or
whatever this is called) and Reddit in general just to see if you
continue to waste time writing nonsense. Also, explain to me tomorrow
why your username is 895158. Good night. >Don’t delete this. If you
get to write, I get to write too!
Even better: For every post you write, I will write one too. >I
forgot to take melatonin, and I’m still shocked by this, so I’m just
going to add one more comment.
Instead of having Reddit as a time sink for TWO people, how about
this: Remember that time when I made your account inaccessible? (I don’t
remember, but I believe you.) I can do that again.
Reddit is not publishable. Reddit makes you ignore little guy. Reddit
makes your eyes worse. I don’t believe for one second that it’s
relaxing. Just no. OK?
Reminds me of someone I've tried to be friends with. Despite holding left wing beliefs at the core he just fucking looses his shit every time he thinks he sees something that reminds him of past traumas and there being something left wing at all does that to him i guess. but he's barely functioning as a person, and gets into long temper tantrums about how he can't possibly be wrong about anything and if you argue anything else you're just a horrible liar who lies out to get him. He sneers worse then anyone and I've noticed he sometimes just goes full dumbass and sucks dick he was just trashing on if it means dunking on me.
The answer is no, he's not ok. It's probably not worth trying to do anything about it, though.
> I'm starting to appreciate how a sub like sneerclub was absolutely inevitable.
The material conditions appeared. The formation of SneerClub from that point on was inevitable.
Ugh, I’m late, but since nobody else has said it: What kind of very
minor yet very precise brain damage did every single one of
them suffer that compels them to gin up coy euphemisms for all the
terms related to their horrible ideology? (Or, excuse me, their fellow
travelers’ horrible ideology.)
I think in part I’m meant to act as a scarecrow, targeted at a
certain type of metaphorical crow – it was brought to my attention that
my presence is also discouraging many moderate,
certainly-not-crow-at-all users from wanting to participate.
The metaphor kind of falls apart when you describe the other birds as
“moderates.” For fuck’s sake, just say Nazi.
Because most don’t think of themselves as Nazis, they think of themselves is free thinking right wingers with “unconventional” takes on things like race and civil liberties. But at the same time they end up sympathising with Nazis due to their “unconventional” takes so they end up picking really stupid metaphors to delude themselves into thinking their horrible ideas weren’t already tried in the first half of the 20th century.
With some people you can see they learned english from reading (and watching) a lot of badly translated anime/manga stuff. Which creates very weird, unflowing stilted speech.
I bring that up as an example, because this is just all fantasy euphemisms, that is why sneerclub has the [dying wizard](https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/axmwsv/sneerquenceette_the_dying_wizard/), but also why the neo-reactionaries make so many references to lovecraft. (Slatestar also makes a few references to mytheology). It is just that nerds only read nerdy things (which reminds me I never created the big 'the difference in scope and ideas between the hellraiser movies and the hellraiser comics/books' post I once promised people I should write).
Oh, bless you for introducing me to something so exquisitely stupid. I particular enjoyed this little gem of cognitive dissonance:
> I'm from a high-context culture, so I don't connect too much with foreigners of all stripes. […] (One exception is Latin Americans, who coincidentally happen to share a lot of values with my people.)
Then, several comments later, it turns out that he's…French Canadian. White supremacy has so poisoned his brain that he thinks it's a fucking *coincidence* that other Romance-language-speaking Catholics from the Americas (other, dare we say, Latin Americans?) share a lot of values with "his people." Despite being brown! Zut alors.
> Not the guy you're speaking with: I'm basically an ethno-utilitarian. How much weight I give to your utility is in direct correlation to how close you are to me culturally, and hence ethnically.
> This is how I manage to call myself an utilitarian while being essentially against animal rights.
...
> how close you are to me culturally, and hence ethnically.
> against animal rights.
I know he didn't mean to call non-French Canadian people animals, but yikes.
It is funny that you could read this as meaning that they are so afraid of being called a hypocrite that they turned racist.
>(One exception is Latin Americans, who coincidentally happen to share a lot of values with my people.)
Yes, indeed. South America, the famously homogenic group with close values to *French Canada*.
What I said is that I want nothing to do with a place moderated by a
sneerclubber, and want to run screaming from someone who thinks it has
redeeming value. I’ve already made two or three more posts here than I
wanted to, so I’m going to run away now.
SneerClub is so powerful it’s even discouraging people from posting
in a sub full of SSCers.
/r/SneerClub is a subreddit for those wishing to bully and diminish
the Less Wrong diaspora from a woke stance. This purpose is encouraged
and enforced by the mod team, which appears made up of critical theory
types who find a wholesome, authentic pleasure in bullying “nerds”.
Contra this space’s founding statement, they do not appear to be
invested in human flourishing.
That really spoke to me. Virtually stuffing nerds into lockers is one
of the last things in life that actually make me happy.
It's weird.
If the average American 'nerd' really is so tolerant of literal Nazism, then maybe I have to re-evaluate who the real bad guys were in all those old American high school films I used to watch as a kid.
TheMotte has made it clear to me that only Jocks have the will and muscle to actually just punch Nazis, instead of trying to 'debate' them.
Ahh yes, "human flourishing," that very well-defined thing we all know and love and wish to invest in, and that could never be used rhetorically by racists and theocrats to smokescreen their bad ideas
Stop the presses, I've just been handed a correction. Apparently the phrase is "[a stand-in for leftism](https://reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/j9kxab/_/g91mgjf/?context=1)" with connotations of "state-mediated flourishing" and, uh, "eating the seed corn that would permit future improvements."
I can highly recommend the documentary 'Fighting In The Age of Loneliness'.
On the surface it retells the history of mixed martial arts but it is also so much more. I had absolutely no idea about or even interest in MMA or sports at large but found it to be genuinely amazing, one of my favourite documentaries of all time.
Here's a [trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK3FHjiwb_8), the rest is all up for free on youtube.
>Your home belongs to the bank, your gas tank is lining the pockets of those who had more to do with 9/11 than the country your brother just died fighting in, and you’re told the economy is in high gear even though your paycheck is buying less and less.
>But what you just saw in the cage was unambiguous. One person hit another, and the other fell. Nothing about it lied to you.
I had no damn idea this subreddit was full of bullies!
It looked like a bunch of fed up people who were taking easy fun
potshots at people who are Very Very Serious about silly ideas.
So unsurprisingly those Very Very Serious people are really upset
that they are being BULLIED because MEAN WORDS.
Look you rationalists assholes, I just dunk on you because it’s fun
and easy and I like to vent. I didn’t accurately reconstruct what you
REALLY allegedly believe because… I don’t care about you. Like as in you
aren’t really important enough for me to notice you, your thoughts or
anything, except to dunk on your entire bogus community. If my words
accurately resemble your thoughts, I’m sure its by sheer coincidence and
accident, and I don’t really care.
I’m not here to build a grand intellectual project. I’m just here to
roll my eyes at the sheer ridiculousness of it all.
As a side note, my very smart coworker and I both agreed that while
gpt3 is impressive, this approach to AI is unlikely to produce anything
close to human strength intelligence. Where’s the generative knowledge?
Abstraction from a single example? etc. Nowhere. Maybe one day if we up
the param count by another 100x … but… as they say, it’s not how much
you have, but how you use it.
It is scary to see people admit that themotte has radicalized them
btw.
I don’t get why the mods don’t just shut it down. It was supposed to
be a neutral
ground. But now it is making people radicalised and extreme, they
should pull the plug.
E: Darwin was banned? Ah
turns out he was. and for a good reason, putting a big strain on the
mods is a good bannable offence. (yes this is a nod to the mod policy
here).
E2: I can’t get over how obsessed they are with this place being bad,
by just existing. You can always… not read sneerclub. Which prompts me
to say again if you are having trouble and are compulsively checking
sites/forums which you consider a waste of time, or which are bad for
your mental health, please install browser addons such as leechblock and
put a limit on how much time you can spend reading certain things (or
just block them). Computers are tools made to serve us, don’t make the
stupid internet forum control you. Also, please don’t go bother the
people on the new orthodox motte split subreddit, look, but don’t
touch.
E3: On regards to the whole new subreddit, while I don’t believe in
their mission, I hope it all works out for them. It would be nice to see
a ‘rationalism without bigotry’ project work, so we can be wrong.
Well, I tried. I got banned for “hostility” a day later for pointing
out that the republican party is pretty fascist these days. Given thst
that saved me from responding to a post comparing white supremacy to
original sin (as in, they think my usage of it is just as specious as
religious usages of original sin), I’m not sure I can really complain.
So thank you, mods, for saving me from my own stupid impulses to respond
to any old stupid shit. Well done.
That said it would shock me if this place ends up much different from
other rationalist diaspora. Maybe more of a pathological centrist vibe
than a fascist one?
Since this happened just after i linked their thread and banned them from sneerclub, and since it’s odd to choose to take a reddit break just after agreeing to mod a new subreddit, I’m gonna take credit for this.
We did it, sneerclub! 🎉🎉🎉
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Debate subreddits: A Universal Good
This is going to go so well, with the current founder thinking
Some of the best quotes from that thread.
This entire comment really
It appears that 895158 cannot wash out the stain of being a former contributor to /r/SneerClub so simply.
The people of the Sneer will never be defeated. Your hatred only makes us grow stronger.
Place your bets on how long it takes for a member of theschism mod team to declare their sub a bastion of “rational center-left pragmatism in the manner of Mussolini’s Italy, as opposed to themotte’s overly emotion-driven Germany”.
So if I follow this correctly: TracingWoodgrains and our very own, definitely a SneerClub-controlled asset, part of experimental anti-nerd secret project COINTELBRO, 895158, decided to do the by-now-familiar Motte Flounce with a totally original twist: their own subreddit (sigh), with
blackjack and hookersless bigotry, broadly defined.Sneering tone aside: more power to ’em, if they can divert or stall the radicalisation pipeline that’s great. If not, well, not about to tell people not to waste time on the internet. That would just be stupid. Though I think the writing may be on the wall already vis-a-vis becoming another right-wing shithole.
But it seems even the lessfash parts of the community still feel more aggravation over having digital sand kicked in their virtual faces by strong, handsome, extremely cool internet jocks than over the literal deaths that have been, and are being, caused by online right-wing radicalisation.
So here we are. Being compulsively dishonest, in the habit of defining any arbitrary string of words that comes out of a person we don’t like as being proof they are a bigoted reactionary who only wants to cause suffering and is not in favor of human flourishing, and - did I mention? - incredibly good looking.
We’re gonna need a bigger locker.
lol
I am at least hoping that thread made the original creator of that subreddit realize that the SSC/motte/LessWrong community is pure unsalvageable toxic waste
Is this dude.. okay?
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I have to say its heartwarming to see so many /r/TheMotte cranks frolicking in their new environment.
Ugh, I’m late, but since nobody else has said it: What kind of very minor yet very precise brain damage did every single one of them suffer that compels them to gin up coy euphemisms for all the terms related to their horrible ideology? (Or, excuse me, their fellow travelers’ horrible ideology.)
The metaphor kind of falls apart when you describe the other birds as “moderates.” For fuck’s sake, just say Nazi.
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Huh, they sure seem like they never left highschool.
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SneerClub is so powerful it’s even discouraging people from posting in a sub full of SSCers.
That really spoke to me. Virtually stuffing nerds into lockers is one of the last things in life that actually make me happy.
I had no damn idea this subreddit was full of bullies!
It looked like a bunch of fed up people who were taking easy fun potshots at people who are Very Very Serious about silly ideas.
So unsurprisingly those Very Very Serious people are really upset that they are being BULLIED because MEAN WORDS.
Look you rationalists assholes, I just dunk on you because it’s fun and easy and I like to vent. I didn’t accurately reconstruct what you REALLY allegedly believe because… I don’t care about you. Like as in you aren’t really important enough for me to notice you, your thoughts or anything, except to dunk on your entire bogus community. If my words accurately resemble your thoughts, I’m sure its by sheer coincidence and accident, and I don’t really care.
I’m not here to build a grand intellectual project. I’m just here to roll my eyes at the sheer ridiculousness of it all.
As a side note, my very smart coworker and I both agreed that while gpt3 is impressive, this approach to AI is unlikely to produce anything close to human strength intelligence. Where’s the generative knowledge? Abstraction from a single example? etc. Nowhere. Maybe one day if we up the param count by another 100x … but… as they say, it’s not how much you have, but how you use it.
And I feared I had procured too much popcorn for this year.
Ahh, shit’s going to be entertaining. Imagine still living in the jock-nerd dynamic years after leaving high school.
It is scary to see people admit that themotte has radicalized them btw.
I don’t get why the mods don’t just shut it down. It was supposed to be a neutral ground. But now it is making people radicalised and extreme, they should pull the plug.
E: Darwin was banned? Ah turns out he was. and for a good reason, putting a big strain on the mods is a good bannable offence. (yes this is a nod to the mod policy here).
E2: I can’t get over how obsessed they are with this place being bad, by just existing. You can always… not read sneerclub. Which prompts me to say again if you are having trouble and are compulsively checking sites/forums which you consider a waste of time, or which are bad for your mental health, please install browser addons such as leechblock and put a limit on how much time you can spend reading certain things (or just block them). Computers are tools made to serve us, don’t make the stupid internet forum control you. Also, please don’t go bother the people on the new orthodox motte split subreddit, look, but don’t touch.
E3: On regards to the whole new subreddit, while I don’t believe in their mission, I hope it all works out for them. It would be nice to see a ‘rationalism without bigotry’ project work, so we can be wrong.
the only thing these ppl can do when getting called out on their worst behavior is reach for their trusty high school debate club tools.
Well, I tried. I got banned for “hostility” a day later for pointing out that the republican party is pretty fascist these days. Given thst that saved me from responding to a post comparing white supremacy to original sin (as in, they think my usage of it is just as specious as religious usages of original sin), I’m not sure I can really complain. So thank you, mods, for saving me from my own stupid impulses to respond to any old stupid shit. Well done.
That said it would shock me if this place ends up much different from other rationalist diaspora. Maybe more of a pathological centrist vibe than a fascist one?
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