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Normies can't overcome their evolutionary programming to instinctually cheer for the jocks and jeer for the nerds. That's the reason why there's so much hate for the likes of Zuckerburg while rich sports players get a pass. (https://i.redd.it/cpeoq2l7g3u51.png)
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okay but Eliezer didn't even *go* to high school checkmate, sneerer.
And that's what homeskooling does.
I used to be an aspiring boxer (never aspiring to more than being a decent amateur, but hey...) and it’s hilarious to imagine that anybody has a high opinion of boxers ‘cos “status” The moment you bring up boxing - other than Ali I guess - people end up talking shit about Mike Tyson or any of the litany of boxers that have done terrible or at best very dodgy things There’s also just no sense in which sports people get a pass for being *literally* punchable, every sport has huge numbers of people who are absolutely *despised* for the things they do in exactly the same way as Zuckerberg: people who think they rode in on some unjustified pretence and never made it as good as they were hyped for, just look at what West Ham fans say about our own roster Yudkowsky doesn’t know shit
Say what you will about Nick Saban, but hey, ZERO genocides.
I don't personally like professional sports, and stole my opinion from 1984 on them, but I would never want my distain for sports to be equated to this nonsense. SSC defense of billionaires is really annoying. But learning all this Bayesian jargon to unravel this is excruciating on purpose. I met some of these Less Wrong types around 2011. It is an interesting reflection on why people with below average IQs are put off by my style of communication.

Can’t wait for Robin and Yud’s next discussion, “why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the low quality of airplane food”.

"see, jocks are like *this*, but nerds are like *this*."

Great example of how the icons of rationalism are just as lazy as thinkers as everyone else, just super pretentious about it.

That’s a status intuition I can get behind
Came here to say this. It's like Robin Hanson and Eliezer think they've come across some radical methodology and just have the *balls* to actually endorse it, when the reality is that reality is far more complex than what their models of humans assume. It's not that what they're saying is too radical for most (though it is), it's that it's obviously wrong.

Zuckerberg and you average pro sports stars, aren’t even in the same league when it comes to wealth.

I mean Zuckerberg is worth 50 Michael Jordans and Jordan is ridiculously wealthy, even for a sports superstar. For example it would take about 20 Kawhi Leonards to hit Michael Jordan’s net worth.

Mahomes took some shit for getting $500m over 10 years as the Chiefs QB. Meanwhile Zuck's net worth grew by $30b during the first two months of the pandemic, literally $500m per day. They're on different planets.
I love how everyone who complains about money in sports talks about the players and no one talks about the team owners. Of course Zuck could buy a major league team with the money in his couch.

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C'mon, do you really think they need to actually know about something to talk about it as though they do? Clearly they've just inductively reasoned out what sports are like without any knowledge of prior art.
I mean, Neymar is right there. Right there.
Swirlies don't help anyone. Growing up does.

LeBron James gets huge amounts of grief for deciding to play for a different city. Lenny Dykstra did time in a fed pen for crimes involving amounts that wouldn’t even rate as accounting errors in the fortunes of the founders of any social media company that you’ve actually heard of. Michael Vick is despised by the overwhelming majority of dog owners. Considering how relatively little military leaders and personnel get paid compared to civilians with corresponding jobs, it’s bizarre to compare them to sports stars, let alone dot-com billionares. But go ahead and tell us how bad Zucko has it, Yudsy.

Riiight, because NOBODY ever complains about the size of underperforming players’ contracts, or antisocial behavior off the field/court!

This, uh, kinda feels Freudian, doesn’t it? Actually why even use a multisyllable word, this is just a guy doing a more pretentious version of nice guy/chad discourse.

Meanwhile Bezos gets credit for looking jacked and Musk gets teased for his divorced dad bod and fashion sense. Maybe people just like making fun of public figures and Zuck really does come off as a weirdly social programmed robot.

the fact that there was a run on specific Vilebrequin swim trunks because Bezos got papped wearing them on a yacht was a real "every day we stray further from god's light" moment for me

This is so dumb, I can’t help but add further sneers.

  1. Outside of sports, most people don’t have jobs that have specifically quantifiable and easily collectable metrics for success/failure. We’re ok with it in sports because these things exist, and we agree (for the most part) that there are rules set up that mean that participants have roughly equal chances to set these metrics (but see point 3 below).
  2. Sports players are public figures and there’s reasons for fans of sports teams to care about their performance. You also see these kinds of measures in other fields with public figures - evaluating US Presidents based on the stock market, or evaluating musicians based on album sales, for instance. The reason you don’t see people publishing articles about “who’s the best salesman in the X branch of insurance company Y” is because nobody outside of that company or field actually cares about that.
  3. Finally, the idea that “low-dimensional measures of individual quality” are accepted in sports has a ton of caveats! There’s a ton of work and research and money that’s gone into this, because for pretty much any metric you can think of, there’s arguments to be made about how valuable it is as an actual measure of an athlete’s performance or as a predictor for future performance (even if they’re too lazy to read Moneyball, you’d think these guys would be willing to read the summary of the movie on Wikipedia). Pretty much all most people can agree on with sports statistics is that they exist; what they mean and which ones actually matter is a much bigger discussion that can be seen just by doing even the slightest amount of cursory research, and discussion of who actually is a “high-status sports player” can be found by tuning to your local FM sports talk radio station or turning on ESPN at pretty much any time of day (and believe it or not, it tends to have very little to do with what they look like).
And this is why reddit is better than Twitter

There are plenty of sports players who are very punchable? The difference is none of them is fucking up mine and everyone else’s life by playing sports, unlike Zuckerberg.

Again, these people just can never abandon the persecution complex that people hate them because they’re very smart and get good grades, like their moms told them when they were bullied in middle school

This is the guy that people think is a great thinker. Amazing.

I certainly do love my bigstrongmuscular baseball warriors. And the better they are at baseball, I find, the more they definitely look like sitcom dads men who crush their enemies in mortal combat.

P.S. John Kruk

The fact that they picked baseball of all the major sports to illustrate this point really shows the degree to which they talk out their asses.

big strong muscular warrior…. baseball players

These are the galaxy-brained takes I sub for

It is a bit remarkable how stupid these guys are.

The reason I don’t like the zucc is because of how intrusive and creepy Facebook is and because he literally doesn’t look human. I’ve seen a painted recreation of his face that looks more human than his actual face

Considering female athletes consistently get underpaid, this says something about society/Yud.

And there is a reason people dont tweet that Mike Tyson has a punchable face, and it aint about high status imho.

Let’s not repeat the self-mythology of Rationalists. They’re clearly jocks, not nerds.

imagine… eliezer yudkowsky, but totally fucking shredded

Honestly, go ahead, try to get Mark Zuckerberg punched in the face. I dare ya. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)