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The U.S., in contrast, just conducted a very peaceful and orderly
election
Would a rational mind really call this an orderly election?
The election itself went fine, I suppose, but the loser is still
proclaiming loudly that he won, and fighting any number of legal
challenges to prove it, and the governing party is still going along
with it. Seems weird to completely ignore that in your “but America is
still better than these other, less ‘orderly’ countries” take.
(and maybe this is me being too pessimistic, but I also can’t help
but feel like we’re a little early to call it a “peaceful” election.
Let’s see if Biden gets peacefully inaugurated before we start taking
credit for that.)
If you were a Chinese war game planner, might you now reconsider that
assumption?
lol, if I was a Chinese war game planner, I think I wouldn’t care
that much about ‘US is willing to sacrifice it’s own population’ which
has always been true. I would be more interested in the US inability to
learn from past mistakes on the internal political (both the weakness of
the 2 parties (and the inability to learn from the tea party/occupy),
and the weakness (as in prone to cause disruption) of the electoral
system), militarily (See these
wargames + the fact that Iran now uses these tactics to not
insignificant effect), the weakness of the financial system and the
unwillingness to regulate it, the weird desire to get stuck in forever
wars (see the US still trying to start shit with Iran). The US is only
betting on the ‘we have the lead on ideas’, which considering China does
not care about intellectual property, it isn’t a great bet (esp as
chinas cyberwarefare, which the US military considers a great threat,
Tyler seems to ignore this (E: Which is weird btw, as bloomberg has
published fake stories (propaganda?) about how infiltrated the US
telecom was by china, of which they had 0 proof (if you take anything
away from my post, let it be ‘don’t trust bloombergs tech reporting’
they keep publishing fake articles and then not retracting them when the
tech industry goes ‘wtf the fuck, this is alex jones level stuff’).
When it comes to the ideas and the people that
matter, America and the West are not losing the lead.
lol, imagine thinking ‘we are willing to let your (grand)parents die
because they don’t contribute enough high level ideas’ is a strength.
Sure that is a place that will attract immigrants who want to start a
family. (also nice motte/bailey with the focus shifts between ‘america’
to ‘america an the west’.
Disclaimer, I don’t speak Chinese nor do I know Chinese people, so I
don’t even have the minimum requirements to say what the Chinese are
thinking.
E: I’m leaving out so much negatives about the US btw. anyway TL:DR;
Chinese military guys already figured out how to make America implode. Get America into very costly forever-wars that drain their attention, manpower and money. It really is that simple.
Wars between technologically advanced nations will almost always be fought behind the scenes and with subterfuge.
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Based on my conversations with actual Chinese people online, the idea
that “Capitalist America doesn’t care about human life” is a fairly
common propaganda point over there. Not really a stereotype I’d like to
reclaim…
Oh my god, the enemy would rather passively die than do something
minimally inconvenient to fight an infection! What will we do? We can’t
attack them, because they for sure wouldn’t inconvenience themselves to
fight back.
If we deployed chemical, biological weapons, or nukes, they wouldn’t
wear masks either! Retreat, the fight is futile, we can never destroy
their freedom not to wear masks.
More seriously though, that got to be the dumbest take about covid.
Not the most evil one, not the most misinformed, just the dumbest.
edit: and to top it off, they absolutely refuse to unite together in
face of a threat. Our entire strategy hinges on them uniting; as the
saying goes, united they fall, divided they squabble and we just can’t
deal with so much drama right now!
America as a nation can in fact tolerate casualties, too many in
fact. It had long been standard Chinese doctrine that Americans are
“soft” and unwilling to take on much risk. If you were a Chinese war
game planner, might you now reconsider that assumption?
I truly do not understand. What would “not tolerating” these
casualties look like if Americans were “soft”? Nervous internal collapse
like post-armistice Germany? Somehow falling apart like the USSR? Like
what is the counterfactual Tyler Cowen has in mind that shows America
cannot tolerate what is happening.
Unlike unnamed other countries, america has not spontaneously annihilated in a physics sense
Despite having a bunch of people die due to bad management, the country (and the geographical area it resides on) still physically exist!
If that's not a victory then idk what is tbh
If we fail at beating Coronavirus and all get sick, that shows we are strong.
If we beat the Coronavirus and are victoriously healthy, that too shows we are strong.
Sounds like he's got his bases covered, article practically writes itself
China has done surprisingly well, and some of its vaccines are likely
to prove sufficiently effective and safe. But the U.S., working with the
German BioNTech company, has produced an entirely new kind of vaccine
platform, namely mRNA vaccines.
Would a rational mind really call this an orderly election? The election itself went fine, I suppose, but the loser is still proclaiming loudly that he won, and fighting any number of legal challenges to prove it, and the governing party is still going along with it. Seems weird to completely ignore that in your “but America is still better than these other, less ‘orderly’ countries” take.
(and maybe this is me being too pessimistic, but I also can’t help but feel like we’re a little early to call it a “peaceful” election. Let’s see if Biden gets peacefully inaugurated before we start taking credit for that.)
This is your brain on libertarianism
I feel like China might instead come up with the take “america is a failing state run by absolute morons”, which is entirely accurate.
That’s a really, really, really dumb take.
The most depressing aspect of it all is the reflexive framing of “how can we best assert dominance over China?”.
Just mainlining Trumpist/Rightwing obsessions, like a normal professor. Give him another year and he’ll be calling it the “China Virus”.
“I can take a beating” is a bit different from “Getting concussions is good for your health”.
lol, if I was a Chinese war game planner, I think I wouldn’t care that much about ‘US is willing to sacrifice it’s own population’ which has always been true. I would be more interested in the US inability to learn from past mistakes on the internal political (both the weakness of the 2 parties (and the inability to learn from the tea party/occupy), and the weakness (as in prone to cause disruption) of the electoral system), militarily (See these wargames + the fact that Iran now uses these tactics to not insignificant effect), the weakness of the financial system and the unwillingness to regulate it, the weird desire to get stuck in forever wars (see the US still trying to start shit with Iran). The US is only betting on the ‘we have the lead on ideas’, which considering China does not care about intellectual property, it isn’t a great bet (esp as chinas cyberwarefare, which the US military considers a great threat, Tyler seems to ignore this (E: Which is weird btw, as bloomberg has published fake stories (propaganda?) about how infiltrated the US telecom was by china, of which they had 0 proof (if you take anything away from my post, let it be ‘don’t trust bloombergs tech reporting’ they keep publishing fake articles and then not retracting them when the tech industry goes ‘wtf the fuck, this is alex jones level stuff’).
lol, imagine thinking ‘we are willing to let your (grand)parents die because they don’t contribute enough high level ideas’ is a strength. Sure that is a place that will attract immigrants who want to start a family. (also nice motte/bailey with the focus shifts between ‘america’ to ‘america an the west’.
Disclaimer, I don’t speak Chinese nor do I know Chinese people, so I don’t even have the minimum requirements to say what the Chinese are thinking.
E: I’m leaving out so much negatives about the US btw. anyway TL:DR;
Based on my conversations with actual Chinese people online, the idea that “Capitalist America doesn’t care about human life” is a fairly common propaganda point over there. Not really a stereotype I’d like to reclaim…
Oh my god, the enemy would rather passively die than do something minimally inconvenient to fight an infection! What will we do? We can’t attack them, because they for sure wouldn’t inconvenience themselves to fight back.
If we deployed chemical, biological weapons, or nukes, they wouldn’t wear masks either! Retreat, the fight is futile, we can never destroy their freedom not to wear masks.
More seriously though, that got to be the dumbest take about covid. Not the most evil one, not the most misinformed, just the dumbest.
edit: and to top it off, they absolutely refuse to unite together in face of a threat. Our entire strategy hinges on them uniting; as the saying goes, united they fall, divided they squabble and we just can’t deal with so much drama right now!
I will never understand the respect that this guy gets
I truly do not understand. What would “not tolerating” these casualties look like if Americans were “soft”? Nervous internal collapse like post-armistice Germany? Somehow falling apart like the USSR? Like what is the counterfactual Tyler Cowen has in mind that shows America cannot tolerate what is happening.
This nugget of racist agitprop does not reflect the views of Bloomberg Inc
“und I’m learning Chinese,” says Wernher von Braun
Aww, beaten to the punch! I was dithering about whether Tyler Cowen was within the catchment area of this subreddit.
Sure thing buddy.