r/SneerClub archives
newest
bestest
longest
Doing business with the ICE and facilitating human rights violations is *gasp* political? Is sexism (against women) really a thing? Is climate change that big of a deal? The very rational™ and bigly decoupled users of Hacker News™ discuss. (https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/jzeuth/doing_business_with_the_ice_and_facilitating/)
posted on November 23, 2020 09:53 AM by u/NoSoyTuAlt
70

Link to the thread

Some highlights:

I don’t see the link between: >The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

and:

children and their parents must be housed together when incarcerated

Hooman rites?

[…] In my childhood, parents made me eat tomatoes, because, you know, it’s healthy. […] The techies types are knowledge first people. If you want to win their support, appeal to knowledge, make a rational case, but avoid trying to fool them, as the moment they notice a logical inconsistence in your ideas, they’ll dismiss them entirely.

rational™

You have to pay taxes.

Not really, no. You don’t have to make money. You’re able to live a life free of income and taxes, live like a vagabond.

checkmate 😎

“Science” does not agree that climate change is an “existential threat.”

Silicon Valley will disrupt™ famines

The unfairness of the system you describe, also happens to other men who don’t get promoted or don’t have time for side projects, or comment on HN, and aren’t in the same clique, etc. Maybe we should target the core problem, instead of making it about gender.

Link to the thread

PS: I can’t link individual comments :(

PS 2: Thanks /u/SwedishFuckingModel for the help with the links.

u/beth-zerowidthspace 53 points at 1606137040.000000

In the end refusing selling a computer to ICE should be like refusing to sell a soda to a black person: a clear case of discrimination. And companies should be threatened with dissolution if so; moral focused groups can then just create foundations or churches instead.

The Civil Rights Understander has logged on.

permalink
u/NoSoyTuAlt 17 points at 1606156699.000000
"I'm just a simple pesticide seller" says Degesch GmbH
permalink
u/DELETED 45 points at 1606134796.000000

[deleted]

permalink
u/Soyweiser 25 points at 1606142550.000000
'Planet will still be there, checkmate hippies!'
permalink
u/finfinfin 21 points at 1606147761.000000
All the atoms that made up humanity will be around for ages, stop whining.
permalink
u/SailOfIgnorance 21 points at 1606157025.000000
Unless those motes of human dust get in enough eyes, in which case this really was a bad thing.
permalink
u/dizekat 5 points at 1606247536.000000
It mostly relates to the skynet nutjobs, who came up with the whole "existential risk" idea so that they can proclaim that the nuclear war isn't an "existential risk" and their AI nonsense is the only one. For being that into eugenics they seem surprisingly unconcerned with the wasteland roaming human future in a world where bears and big cats are gone (and other apes too, and literally anything hungry people could catch and eat), opening up a pretty good niche our descendants could fill. A million years could do what they keep constantly fearing a century would do. Without other large animals, we would be the "megafauna" to either shrink or go extinct altogether.
permalink
u/noactuallyitspoptart 7 points at 1606272991.000000
What I find funny about your particular framing here is that of course skynet in the movies was not only a clear metaphor for the existential risk RAND Corporation ethical calculations proposed - an 80s version of Dr. Strangelove - but that the actual skynet in the movies used nuclear weapons to murder everyone, because the movies *are about the fucking cold war* It’s amusing that people who got heavily into this sci-fi shit and started writing screeds entirely based on it never noticed that it’s *metaphorical*
permalink
u/dizekat 3 points at 1606277587.000000
Yeah, intentional on my part. Although in the movies the nukes left survivors, hence the nukes themselves in the movie are not an "existential risk". Kurt Vonnegut had a novel, Galapagos, where the population bottleneck results in humans just taking an aquatic mammal niche. It's not the lack of selection that one has to worry about (as rationalists usually do), but selection for a different niche - e.g. one for smaller, faster maturing, shorter living animals (over hundreds of thousands / millions of years it'd take to recover from an extreme population bottleneck and loss of technology).
permalink
u/noactuallyitspoptart 3 points at 1606279078.000000
Oh yeah I’m on your side here I haven’t read Galapagos but perhaps I should, I always enjoy Vonnegut even when I don’t
permalink
u/Soyweiser 45 points at 1606147480.000000

A lot of HN posters seems to be like ents.

  • uses to much words to say things
  • women left them and they don’t get why
  • don’t get they are part of the world
permalink
u/DELETED 13 points at 1606161455.000000
Marvelous sneer.
permalink
u/huf 27 points at 1606150870.000000

ah yes, it’s only political if it goes against the status quo.

same sort of thing as the two genders, male and political.

or the two sexual orientations, straight and political.

or the two classes, wealthy and political.

permalink
u/Consistent_Actuator 13 points at 1606130298.000000

“Maybe we should target the core problem, instead of making it about gender.” Just trickle-down dogma again, but by a different name.

permalink
u/thbplp 26 points at 1606137196.000000

Sidenote on tomatoes: the reason kids don’t eat them (as well as pretty much any vegetables) is that they’re bland and tasteless, and the reason they’re bland and tasteless is that we made them that way. If you live in a proper country that doesn’t take a giant dump on its population’s diet for the sake of yield maximization and/or go to a local market that actually cares about its products you will soon find out that you don’t need to force yourself to eat vegetables, because they actually taste good.

No comment on the rest of this shitshow, HN is gonna HN

permalink
u/Soyweiser 18 points at 1606147525.000000
Tasty vegetables? [cries in protestant].
permalink
u/brokenAmmonite 8 points at 1606154802.000000

The kind of extreme “guilt by association” you derive cannot be considered a part of the political in terms of conscious action precisely because “the political” encompasses normal function of the society. Criminal activity, on the other hand, is not considered a part of normal function of a society, hence one can assume that everyone who “knows” a criminal but doesn’t turn him in is also a criminal. In other words what you’re doing is you are criminalizing normal para-political association—a characteristic of individuals with a totalitarian mindset. As a non-American, I have to say I am stunned to observe this attitude in the US.

thinking emoji

permalink
u/Cyclamate 3 points at 1606285226.000000
It's not political, it's the normal function of society. And now, to drink this water cylinder... what? No, it's not in a "glass", that's just the normal shape of water
permalink
u/Fevorkillzz 15 points at 1606161370.000000

I love love love how HN turns everything into coding somehow.

Is there a way to go back from your binary opposition:

…

to at least a ternary

Don’t know why CS people feel the constant need to do this. Recently I was talking to someone and they mentioned how one class has fewer context switches than another. I get you took Operating System design but you can just say “focused on one thing more”.

permalink
u/Citrakayah 10 points at 1606175648.000000
They watched the Matrix one too many times and think everything is data. I'm kind of joking, but there does seem a tendency among some in the field to think everything can reduced to a CS standpoint. Brains are computers, nerves are wires, that sort of thing. And I think they fail to see that to the extent this is true, it is true for basically everything and isn't actually all that informative.
permalink
u/Fevorkillzz 3 points at 1606176094.000000
I must say I'm guilty of this as well. But CS has a tendency to bill itself as, everything can and **should** be reduced to a CS problem. CS definitely gives people unwavering confidence that they can conquer any other problems present in any other fields.
permalink
u/Snugglerific 2 points at 1606195419.000000
Clearly you haven't been enlightened enough by Max Tegmark.
permalink
u/MadCervantes 1 points at 1606201503.000000
Eh there's actually some pretty interesting ontological work done in the last 40 years thinking of reality in terms of dataflow so I wouldn't dismiss thst out of hand.
permalink
u/noactuallyitspoptart 3 points at 1606273329.000000
Information Theory/Infomatics and Computer Science are not the same thing
permalink
u/MadCervantes 1 points at 1606274216.000000
What's the distinction you think?
permalink
u/noactuallyitspoptart 3 points at 1606274713.000000
Well they have a related but far from identical history, and study different issues, which seems like a pretty clear distinction To put it another way: if you think Information Theory is just Computer Science you think the same thing about Physics and Computer Science
permalink
u/MadCervantes 1 points at 1606285725.000000
Would it be fair to say computer science is a subset though?
permalink
u/noactuallyitspoptart 3 points at 1606288690.000000
Not really. Computer science deals with the theory and practice of computation specifically. Information theory deals with the very concept of information.
permalink
u/MadCervantes 1 points at 1606324207.000000
Not trying to argue with you, just genuinely curious for your viewpoint: Isn't computation just what information does? Like if you're studying computation, it's inherently tied to information, no?
permalink
u/noactuallyitspoptart 1 points at 1606329472.000000
Computation and Information are conceptually distinct, as demonstrated by the sort of thing you’ll find in Turing. Information is the stuff that makes computation work (at least in theory), but not vice versa. Certainly studying computation will involve studying information, but there is no guarantee that studying computation will create a study of information rather than the practice of attempting to study information.
permalink
u/MadCervantes 2 points at 1606330844.000000
So is that like a "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are square" situation?
permalink
u/MadCervantes 8 points at 1606201550.000000
Eh... Context switching is pretty common parlance. I'm a designer and I have only ever heard that in the context of human psychology. Never knew it was also an os term
permalink
u/chrizzlybears 6 points at 1606177234.000000
And as is tradition I suppose, that third option completely misses the point and only serves to obfuscate the matter at hand. His new options are > - "I support what you are doing and will contribute to your cause" - "I don't care what you are doing and will sell you the same services as to anyone else (I am only interested in your money)" - "I oppose what you are doing and will do what I can to impede your cause" boiling down to * "(I support you and) I contribute to your cause" * "(I don't give a fuck and) I contribute to your cause" * "(I don't support you and) I don't contribute to your cause" which implies that the relevant part is somehow what degree of support you voice instead of whether you contribute.
permalink
u/Cyclamate 5 points at 1606285726.000000
Who'd have guessed that racking one's brain for hours a day trying to fit the world into rigidly defined schemas would turn a lot of people into gormless fascist subjects
permalink
u/SwedishFuckingModel 8 points at 1606143494.000000

PS: I can’t link individual comments :(

Click on the posting time link for a comment, like “11 hours ago.”

Here’s an example link to one of the comments you mentioned: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25183241

permalink
u/sue_me_please 5 points at 1606181150.000000

It blows my mind that rayiner is a lawyer because of dumb he comes across as in his posts.

permalink
u/valarauca14 3 points at 1606272908.000000

If anyone here enjoys sneering at ” “Hacker” “News” “, I highly recommend the n-gate.com weekly digest.

permalink