I think everyone who wants to donate money to Yud should be forced to play that game first as the AI so they can realize how goddamn stupid it is. That he lost every time he played for money seems telling to me.
The interesting thing is that there's a "well, I'm just going to be irrational, so *there*" argument on both sides of the AI box - the Basilisk for torturing you for an acausal reason, and you never letting it out to retain victory even if you agree with an argument.
at first this sub felt like it was too cerebral for me and like it
was dealing in sophisticated sciencey paradoxes and discussions taken to
weird nazi extremes for reasons beyond my understanding
something snapped with this post and now it feels like really its a
bunch of 13 yos who just read about string theory on wikipedia
powercreeping eachother in a weird science-themed make believe also
taken to weird nazi extremes for reasons beyond my understanding
and it also is kind of cultic horror, in a small sense, since the most Devout rats become cut off from society and gradually (reality) itself as MIRI is their work, MIRI is their play, MIRI is their future...
> a bunch of 13 yos who just read about string theory on wikipedia powercreeping eachother in a weird science-themed make believe also taken to weird nazi extremes
yes
Imagine an infinite number of Basilisks, each one using the computing
resources of a Dyson sphere to eternally torture simulacra of everyone
who matches one particular criterion.
> ~~Imagine~~ *Simulate* an infinite number of Basilisks, each one using the computing resources of a Dyson sphere to eternally torture simulacra of each other.
Borges got there first:
"Those who deny the Word, those who deny the Veil and the Face \[runs a curse from the *Hidden Rose*\], are promised a wondrous Hell; for each lost soul shall hold sway over 999 empires of fire; and in each empire, over 999 mountains of fire; and in each mountain, over 999 castles of fire; and in each castle, over 999 chambers of fire; and in each chamber, over 999 beds of fire; and in each bed he will find himself everlastingly tormented by 999 shapes of fire, which will have his face and his voice." -- *The Masked Dyer, Hakim of Merv*
jokes aside this sort of convo is why I hate people like Ziz. so many
people in ratcult talk like this to each other, casually saying
incredibly hurtful things during a hangout that people will remember
forever as the experience of friends casually turning on one another in
favor of some rancid Nietzschean “truthpower”
but they are all so indebted to one another for the resources of
everyday friendship, identity, inclusion and respect that everyone
doubles down on the style of abuse
especially after they abandon having a typical career for “save the
world club”, jehovahs witness style and lose all footholds in regular
society (lousy as that is)
in other words, it doesn’t impress me that as former abusive members
in an abusive club, they now hate their former club and are trying to
abuse it
no, YOU spent 5 years baptizing everyone you met in this type of
thinking/relating
hating more is not admirable
realizing you were in a shitty clique is not admirable
you don’t get to atone by just bitterly hating your old friends and
seeking revenge for the next 5 years
go be a good person and do good things in a humble way
be kind, be decent, give to a simple good cause
that should be your atonement, because “save the world” was obviously
narcissism
Seems legit. If they’re dumb enough to fall for Roko’s Basilisk etc.
may as well use that to your advantage. Ideally you’d convince them to
go get therapy. Though I suppose any therapist who heard ‘My friend
threatened to torture an exact copy of me for decades if I didn’t come
in.’ would at least raise an eyebrow.
“if i somehow manage to create this implausible, damn-near-religious
technology, i will be sure to fuck you over explicitly. it won’t even be
an accidental consequence of creating life beyond the capacity of what
humans would want. i will just straight up send you to hell.”
So this demonstrates that this rationalist doesn’t actually believe
in technological resurrection, surely. You’d never make an
“““““““““““““argument”““““““““““” like this if you thought there was a
chance you’d have to pay up.
Be the basilisk you want to see in the world.
How close this person was to realizing that you could blackmail any rationalist to do basically anything with that approach
what the fuck
at first this sub felt like it was too cerebral for me and like it was dealing in sophisticated sciencey paradoxes and discussions taken to weird nazi extremes for reasons beyond my understanding
something snapped with this post and now it feels like really its a bunch of 13 yos who just read about string theory on wikipedia powercreeping eachother in a weird science-themed make believe also taken to weird nazi extremes for reasons beyond my understanding
Imagine an infinite number of Basilisks, each one using the computing resources of a Dyson sphere to eternally torture simulacra of everyone who matches one particular criterion.
jokes aside this sort of convo is why I hate people like Ziz. so many people in ratcult talk like this to each other, casually saying incredibly hurtful things during a hangout that people will remember forever as the experience of friends casually turning on one another in favor of some rancid Nietzschean “truthpower”
but they are all so indebted to one another for the resources of everyday friendship, identity, inclusion and respect that everyone doubles down on the style of abuse
especially after they abandon having a typical career for “save the world club”, jehovahs witness style and lose all footholds in regular society (lousy as that is)
in other words, it doesn’t impress me that as former abusive members in an abusive club, they now hate their former club and are trying to abuse it
no, YOU spent 5 years baptizing everyone you met in this type of thinking/relating
hating more is not admirable
realizing you were in a shitty clique is not admirable
you don’t get to atone by just bitterly hating your old friends and seeking revenge for the next 5 years
go be a good person and do good things in a humble way
be kind, be decent, give to a simple good cause
that should be your atonement, because “save the world” was obviously narcissism
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Did Something Decent
Seems legit. If they’re dumb enough to fall for Roko’s Basilisk etc. may as well use that to your advantage. Ideally you’d convince them to go get therapy. Though I suppose any therapist who heard ‘My friend threatened to torture an exact copy of me for decades if I didn’t come in.’ would at least raise an eyebrow.
“if i somehow manage to create this implausible, damn-near-religious technology, i will be sure to fuck you over explicitly. it won’t even be an accidental consequence of creating life beyond the capacity of what humans would want. i will just straight up send you to hell.”
Half of the rats are true believers and half are sociopaths so
oof the bleakest Venn diagram. I say put that Basilisk to work
So this demonstrates that this rationalist doesn’t actually believe in technological resurrection, surely. You’d never make an “““““““““““““argument”““““““““““” like this if you thought there was a chance you’d have to pay up.
Then again, knowing rationalists…
I’m a Basilisk and I fucking hate this.
If the copy he can torture is his friend, why can’t he use the copy to “revive” him?
Is quantum archeology even a thing?