I did a "woke" AMA on themotte. White supremacists predictably came out of the woodwork to tell me how my ideology of being nice to people is actually horrible

u/completely-ineffable 62 points at 1617595113.000000

I did a… AMA on themotte

Why?

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u/Soyweiser 25 points at 1617621164.000000

Im instantly reminded of Jamie Loftis year in Mensa [podcast series](https://open.spotify.com/show/0HOAQQu2JglNvaTQXsCyC1) where there also was a leftwinger who loved to spar verbally with the weird conservatives.

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u/Citrakayah 42 points at 1617594691.000000

I can’t get over the guy who did the table with incomes focusing on the mathematical question of whether or not the “naive model” is true.

From his own data, it’s obvious that black women make less than black men, or white women. Regardless of what happens when you start multiplying percentages, this would seem to be an obvious victory for the intersectionalist argument. Being black and a woman is clearly a disadvantage in income relatively to being black or a woman.

(If he’s reading this: Hi!)

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u/pusillanimouslist 24 points at 1617632033.000000

I doubt many of the Motters actually know what intersectionality means, they just know that it’s some evil woke thing they need to oppose.

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u/finfinfin 17 points at 1617653543.000000

intersectionality is when sjws do stuff and the more stuff they do the more intersectional it is

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u/finfinfin 11 points at 1617653557.000000

or possibly it's when sjws stop you from doing stuff

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u/SpillTheCheerwine 8 points at 1617634977.000000

That's how it is when your teen idols are people like Bret Weinstein.

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u/Sergnb 59 points at 1617627933.000000

“4chan is a multiethnic paradise”

This guy actually believes LARPers when they say “i’m black and still think the US needs to be an ethnocentric monarchy” lmao.

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u/Lord_Treasurer 12 points at 1617648837.000000

I wonder what the Venn diagramme looks like of people who claim racist utterances and expressions have no real power, and people who get upset at black people kneeling.

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u/47B-1ME 17 points at 1617616635.000000

4chan

paradise

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u/Soyweiser 16 points at 1617621649.000000

Posting this here was stupid btw, now they will just go ’this is clearly a bad faith troll’no matter how much effort you put in trying to explain things. (E: and no idea if you posted here before or the post drove you here, but themotters will use the sneerclub post as evidence you were always bad all along).

And going from the reactions here, I really hope that they werent all about race.

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u/DELETED 29 points at 1617592831.000000

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u/Soyweiser 23 points at 1617620996.000000

Wtf indeed, and also, while they act like a both sides place this makes it clear they never listened to any leftwinger. This isnt an uncommon gotcha question, and the common answer is, asians werent enslaved and have more generational wealth. Esp immigrants who tend to have more resources anyway (coming to america aint cheap, somebody even had to give up a kingdom to live in queens ;) ). (E: and guess we are just going to forget the recent murders).

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u/relightit 7 points at 1617624723.000000

> the recent murders it seem a lot of people are going with this line of thought but it's not obvious to me... i thought it was sex workers/massage workers who happen to be mostly asians that got murdered, not targetted for being asians? it's kind of an important distinction.

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u/noactuallyitspoptart 18 points at 1617626458.000000

zooming out, it’s hard to deny that there are structural reasons why Asian women would be targeted *as* sex workers/massage workers would be murdered, regardless of any specific animus against Asian women

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u/SpillTheCheerwine 9 points at 1617639573.000000

Reducing Asian women to their sexuality should not be an unfamiliar idea at TheMotte.

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u/Soyweiser 9 points at 1617625287.000000

I don't think there was a distinction. Same as in the US, if you make a law to target poor people which accidentally mostly hits black people, or a law which targets black people but accidentally hits mostly hits poor people, it is all a bit arguing about semantics. And well, it can be both a war on the poor, and a war on black people, even if the main motivation differs. The recent murders certainly opened up the stage for people to talk about Anti-Asian racism in the US. E: you are right in pointing out that his big gripe was with sex workers, and them being asian being a side effect btw.

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u/pusillanimouslist 9 points at 1617632147.000000

The exact motivation for that shooting is unclear; it could be misogyny, anti-sex worker sentiment, racism, or some mix. But regardless of that one incident, anti-Asian hate crime has been rising measurably.

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u/InconvenientPrequel 17 points at 1617592188.000000

The words in the image are not mine. Obviously, check my comment history to find the thread I’m referring to.

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u/mirh 11 points at 1617615816.000000

To be fair, if you aren’t from the US (or at most canada), it’s not really that immediate to understand why that slur is different from the others.

You have to understand the culture to appreciate its roots and more-than-just-racism implications.

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u/DELETED 2 points at 1617592366.000000

4chan is a multiethnic paradise

you will notice that Mexicans use 4chan, and the use of derogatory terms regarding them are low. similarly, Indians now use the site more, and “pajeet” has stopped being used.

mutual respect of some sort comes with forced interaction

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u/brainhurtboy 37 points at 1617598289.000000

This has not been my experience at all.

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u/appsecSme 12 points at 1617640357.000000

Please link the data that back up what you are saying. I strongly suspect you are just making shit up.

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u/DELETED -7 points at 1617641456.000000

you don't use these sites. you wouldn't know.

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u/appsecSme 16 points at 1617643894.000000

Even using the site you don't know. If you did, you could back up your point. We do know though that 4chan and 8chan are hotbeds of white supremacy from the content. We also, know that white supremacists do pretend to be other races to promote their ideology. It sure seems like you swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker on this.

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u/DELETED -8 points at 1617644011.000000

you're assuming quite a lot in bad faith...

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u/maybe_I_am_a_bot 13 points at 1617646965.000000

Who in his right mind would afford good faith to 4chan and white supremacists?

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u/appsecSme 8 points at 1617660801.000000

>you're assuming quite a lot in bad faith... Says the guy who is making a bad faith argument. I am not assuming anything about the racist content on 4chan and 8chan. There is plenty of evidence for that. You also know this, but prefer to argue in bad faith.

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u/finfinfin 4 points at 1617653592.000000

this sub is known for its overwhelming devotion to the principle of charity

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u/Soyweiser 14 points at 1617647607.000000

What BS is this, you goalpost moved from site to sites, and well, 4chan isn't a monoculture just like reddit isn't every board is different. But all of them, except one, suffer from invasions of people with racist /pol/ thinking patterns, and I now some of the others are already racist without the /pol/ people coming in. I just checked the roguelikes general thread for example. And I filled my slur bingo card reading the first dozen posts. Took another dozen before I found a post about a roguelike. (E: so yes, 4chan sucks, and it certainly got worse (my N=1)).

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u/Ascimator 2 points at 1617877021.000000

Can I have your slur bingo?

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u/Soyweiser 2 points at 1617882011.000000

I dont actually have one, it is a rethorical bingo card not a real one. (I actually still think 'playing bingo with arguments kinda sucks' wasnt a bad observation from Scott)

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u/mystery-babylon 2 points at 1618168709.000000

they're public sites, literally anyone can go on and notice you're full of shit.

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u/DELETED 1 points at 1618168784.000000

moreso anyone can see a journo clip a random response and then write an article about it so they can keep their job.

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u/mystery-babylon 2 points at 1618207561.000000

i spent years on 4chan during my youth and i still lurk to this day to see what the idiots are doing in that shithole. stop bullshitting.

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u/DELETED -14 points at 1617596909.000000

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u/atavisticporker 35 points at 1617604612.000000

It's from math buddy

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u/Adunaiii 1 points at 1631373430.000000

But what is r/TheMotte? I still don’t get it, and Google searches bring nothing. All I learned is that it is connected to slatestarcodex.com.

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