posted on November 08, 2021 11:52 AM by
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What does this even mean, and how on Earth does he imagine he’s in a
position to know? Unless maybe he’s workshopping some fiction, this is
an utterly nonsensical statement.
oh my god this is gold
> Interesting question: If I'm not judging Brooks by the goodness o his AI theories, what is it that made him seem smart to me? I don't remember any stunning epiphanies in his presentation at the Summit. I didn't talk to him very long in person. He just came across as... formidable, somehow.
gee, I wonder. I love when the rhetorical parentheses actually torpedo their own argument.
> I tried—once—going to an interesting-sounding mainstream AI conference that happened to be in my area. I met ordinary research scholars and looked at their posterboards and read some of their papers. I watched their presentations and talked to them at lunch. And they were way below the level of the big names. I mean, they weren't visibly incompetent, they had their various research interests and I'm sure they were doing passable work on them. And I gave up and left before the conference was over, because I kept thinking "What am I even doing here?"
> An intermediate stratum, above the ordinary scientist but below the ordinary CEO, is that of, say, partners at a non-big-name venture capital firm. The way their aura feels to me, is that they can hold up one end of an interesting conversation, but they don't sound very original, and they don't sparkle with extra life force.
> ...
> Hedge-fund people sparkle with extra life force. At least the ones I've talked to. Large amounts of money seem to attract smart people. No, really.
fucking cackling that Yud reinvented charisma in 2008
Incidentally, I have found it very hard to see such "auras" in the WFH era, when you are on a video call with cameras off. These people are just SMEs who, unlike AI researchers, have to talk for their job. In person, it probably helps that they are often white men with the type of confident, upper-class mannerisms appropriate for their field.
There's intelligence and charisma, numerical and verbal intelligence, book smarts and people skills, etc
Then there's specialists and glib snollgosters. No, really.
Fun fact about Steve Jurvetson the guy he opens the article praising- he got MeTooed and forced out of his VC firm in 2017. Funny Yud didn't get a sketchy vibe from him.
Is every single EY post some combination of (1) axe-grinding to support cherished beliefs, (2) a rant against the hated outgroup, and (3) an exercise in cherrypicking data to support the beloved hypothesis? It just gets tiring.
> He gave off a visible aura of competence. (Though not a thousand-year vampire aura of terrifying swift perfection like E.T. Jaynes's carefully crafted book.)
Thanks for reminding me that according to Yud, [the best parts of "A logic of science" are the rants against frequentists](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kXSETKZ3X9oidMozA/the-level-above-mine).
I love how many people you lucky [ten thousands with this](https://xkcd.com/1053/).
To everybody reading this for the first time: [Welcome, to sneerclub.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep_blZhvI2A)
This further cements my view that rationalists believe fiction is, in fact, nonfiction. This is why they focus so much on AGI: to avoid Skynet, a fictional villain!
And how will we calculate tables of numbers without hiring large
quantities of people to perform mathematical operations and check each
others’ tabulations for arithmetic errors?!
How are we supposed to transmit knowledge from one generation of
worker to another without bards singing campfire songs?!
For this reason we must funnel resources to solve the AI getting
angry problem
You know Eliezer, it’s too bad that there’s no way for these talented
executives and ops people of the past to have passed down their ideas -
obviously blogs didn’t exist yet, but maybe they could have tried making
indelible marks on some kind of long-lasting material such as paper?
Just spitballing here, but maybe they could have written a whole series
of these proto-“blog posts”, and bound them all together with some kind
of outer protective covering. Or maybe they could have given interviews
that themselves were written down or recorded somehow. Truly a shame
that such things were never developed so there’s no way for us to know
what people in the past did or thought was important until the creation
of the blog in the late 90s.
It is fun to imagine Yudkowsky cracking a vintage Peter Drucker management book to look for the ruthless counsels of post-war American genius and instead getting
>...I have serious reservations about capitalism as a system because it
idolizes economics as the be-all and end-all of life. It is
one-dimensional. For example, I have often advised managers that a 20–1
salary ratio between senior executives and rank-and-file white-collar
workers is the limit beyond which they cannot go if they don’t want
resentment and falling morale to hit their companies.
It is impressive how often people who are methaphorically very deep into capitalism are actually not that pro capitalism and are worried about it.
What is scary is that even they are powerless to stop it or change course. The robotgod is already here people and it will not stop till everything is profitorium.
Which is one of the reasons he won't ever do it - if you never actually do any research on the things you want to opine about, you never have to confront the possibility that you might be wrong.
Yeah it’s not hard to see how he might struggle to write a blog post.
It’s a good thing there are experts on leadership and organisational growth that can help you improve your orgs culture and that it’s not reliant on some numpty with a glory days fantasy and a Twitter account.
Reactionaries always want back to an imagined past, a lost glory
which should be regained from the degenerate current times. So congrats
on going mask off there. Also that sprinkling of genetics is destiny
added in for taste.
It’s not a cake without the genetics-is-destiny icing. But I really even wonder if that’s true. Surely people were cranking out babies in the 50s. What the hell is he even talking about!
He is doing some weird wordplay with 'of their heritage' so you could sort of imagine he wasn't actually talking about eugenics or breeding, but just people not following in their parents footsteps and actually going into art, or just doing LSD as a 70s commie hippie!
So genes aren’t as predictive of outcomes as they would have us think! Oy the double think is soooo strong. But wrt LSD, per the whole recent LW discussion about Ziz in the comments section of that person who was semi-awakening from the cult brainwash of CFAR etc, I have gleaned that Yud is not into people doing psychedelics
I just wanna be [a gong farmer, or a nightman](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gong_farmer).
And not totally sure if that is a valid link to make (witch hunts to reactionary (esp as you can be reactionary for a few more time periods, see the tankies)) but it is a funny coincidence. And tbh I think they more want to be rabbis, at least scott ar wanted this, because it would give him beter access to quality women via arranged marriages.
**[Gong farmer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gong_farmer)**
>Gong farmer (also gongfermor, gongfermour, gong-fayer, gong-fower or gong scourer) was a term that entered use in Tudor England to describe someone who dug out and removed human excrement from privies and cesspits. The word "gong" was used for both a privy and its contents. As the work was considered unclean and off-putting to the public, gong farmers were only allowed to work at night, hence they were sometimes known as nightmen. The waste they collected, known as night soil, had to be taken outside the city or town boundary or to official dumps for disposal.
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I still to this day have no fucking clue what the sub description is trying to say, or why it's called sneerclub, it's almost as if it's been engineered to not make any sense or have a clear defined identity, and yet the sub is great solely because it's populated by the right kind of people, seemingly mainly leftists, all instinctually united together by their distaste for these "rationalist" blokes.
That is actually just a quote from Yud himself (it is about [his fanfiction](https://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/2n3yh5/what_is_it_with_dark_lord_potter_and_hpmor/cmad6x3/?context=3) ). He got so mad at people who criticize him he wrote that post. And thus, Sneerclub was born. He has also declared sneerclub the most evil. [Clearly, we do hit people with glasses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvKvTlQHuw), or wait... perhaps we are the people with glasses.
Lol, the first few pages of the megathread he is mad about are pretty positive even. 3/5 stars. So no idea what happend there. People seemed pretty annoyed with Yud in the end however.
> I read through it - it is, at the very least, a long, technically good (spelling, grammar) somewhat original story.
> Even if the author is so far up his own ass that he probably resembles a Klein bottle...
Personally I liked it (hpmor I mean), even if it isn't a good guide to rationality nor STEM. (Prob a good guide to Rationalist Ideology as imagined by Yud however, with the whole anti death thing).
e: lol wow:
> I think calling the author an arrogant prick is unfair though, after reading more about him. I now believe that the only reason the universe is in constant expansion is to try to fit this man ego, and the black hole that will destroy everything will be created by how far he stuck his head into his ass.
With his being in the bay area, it seems a safe assumption that if he
had been talking about something concrete and if he knew something about
the fifties, this post would have been about the beginning of the
semiconductor industry.
I imagine that if he was around in the 50s he wouldn’t even recognize
the importance of transistors, and in the impossible event that he did
he would laud Shockley (who was a very non politically correct big brain
and also an asshole) and lament his cancellation by overly sjw (for the
time) employees that left him en masse due to his asshole behavior and
his claiming credit for the work of others.
Of course realistically he knows fuck all about management in the
1950s he’s just sucking up to some wannabes today.
What does this even mean, and how on Earth does he imagine he’s in a position to know? Unless maybe he’s workshopping some fiction, this is an utterly nonsensical statement.
He knows Mad Men isn’t real, right?
… right?
And how will we calculate tables of numbers without hiring large quantities of people to perform mathematical operations and check each others’ tabulations for arithmetic errors?!
How are we supposed to transmit knowledge from one generation of worker to another without bards singing campfire songs?!
For this reason we must funnel resources to solve the AI getting angry problem
You know Eliezer, it’s too bad that there’s no way for these talented executives and ops people of the past to have passed down their ideas - obviously blogs didn’t exist yet, but maybe they could have tried making indelible marks on some kind of long-lasting material such as paper? Just spitballing here, but maybe they could have written a whole series of these proto-“blog posts”, and bound them all together with some kind of outer protective covering. Or maybe they could have given interviews that themselves were written down or recorded somehow. Truly a shame that such things were never developed so there’s no way for us to know what people in the past did or thought was important until the creation of the blog in the late 90s.
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Reactionaries always want back to an imagined past, a lost glory which should be regained from the degenerate current times. So congrats on going mask off there. Also that sprinkling of genetics is destiny added in for taste.
“meta-level”
For real, this nerd has all his self-esteem tied up in being an “intellectual” and it’s sad.
Lmao imagine Socrates non ironically posting on Facebook
Facebook: for when your cult recruitment growth strategy froze in 2008
Eliezer sits alone in his room, trying to think of a blog post he could compose that will turn anyone who reads it into a perfect management adept.
He reads the Wikipedia page about mad men, and pauses. “No, this is no good. Nothing here will literally reprogram a human brain for me.”
Solemnly he silently offers an acausal trade to a future friendly AI, just in case.
The trade must have been rejected, though, as he is left to stare at the blank file titled “how to making more people being good executives?”
I like how his metric for how hard a problem is is just like, “can I imagine writing a blog post that solves it?”
Yudkowsky: we need more executives like they had in the 1950s
Executives in December 1953: sorry, we’re busy meeting at the Plaza to plan our campaign of sowing doubt about smoking causing cancer
“Almost all of the talented executives and ops people were in 1950”, huh? Major boomer energy from someone born in the disco era.
i came across this sub on accident and i absolutely fuckin love it.
I think this dude needs to focus on using correct language and grammar before he worries about making new executives 😅
does this mean he is waiting for the return of jfk jr?
jesus christ
With his being in the bay area, it seems a safe assumption that if he had been talking about something concrete and if he knew something about the fifties, this post would have been about the beginning of the semiconductor industry.
I imagine that if he was around in the 50s he wouldn’t even recognize the importance of transistors, and in the impossible event that he did he would laud Shockley (who was a very non politically correct big brain and also an asshole) and lament his cancellation by overly sjw (for the time) employees that left him en masse due to his asshole behavior and his claiming credit for the work of others.
Of course realistically he knows fuck all about management in the 1950s he’s just sucking up to some wannabes today.
Saving the world, one blog post at a time
Thought that EA in your title stood for Electronic Arts for a moment.
https://youtu.be/G7RgN9ijwE4
Does he think leadership abilities are hereditary or something