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My question is, so does this mean it [Virginia Giuffre] was all a shakedown to get money out of him [Prince Andrew]? (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/ss4nsf/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_february_14/hx60x8r/)
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“I’ll put a disclaimer here- I’m only loosely familiar with the Epstein case and all the rabbit holes, but I will say that anything involving the UK Royal Family is inherently political. I’ve no real opinion on who was behind Epstein or why- I don’t think it’s as simple as ‘he was Israeli tool’- but the UK approach to the Royal Family is… weird.”

Yiiiiikes.

Glad to see the motters make sure to forefront the antisemitic conspiracy theories even when they want to take other views seriously.

You might want to look into the history of the Maxwells and the Bronfmans, if you haven't already done so.
Thanks I’m okay
As you wish. But let me remind you, Israel has fought - how many wars to survive?, and is with overwhelming likelihood a nuclear weapons state. If a country (or a regime, or political order, if one prefers) is willing to kill thousands, and threaten to kill hundreds of thousands, in order to preserve itself, then running brothels to ensnare politicians and scientists will not exactly be unthinkable. You don't even have to kill anyone.

I honestly have no opinion on this, because I don’t know what to think.

Why is it that this is never followed with “so I’m going to refrain from saying anything until I’ve done more research and know more about the topic to be able to have anything useful to say”?

Because the people who do that don't post about it. But yeah, should have been a moment of self awareness, to simply not post at all. (Or delete the post later).

She shook him down…for charity?

FWIW, I think she was of legal age in at least most American states. I don’t know off-hand, but I thought 16 was pretty common.

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I suppose? She was on-record demanding a not-purely-monetary settlement. Is that really what they finally settled for?

The lawsuit is available for reading [here](https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Prince-Phillip-sexual-assault-lawsuit.pdf), and the relevant NY law is [here](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/P3THA130). Short form: there are a number of alleged offenses which do not hinge on the age of the victim. I'm not expressing an opinion on guilt with regard to specific offenses, but I think if you believe that Giuffre was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew, all of them are well within the realm of possibility. If you don't think she was physically forced, there are still some that seem possible. Edit: crap, sorry, didn't realize you were quoting!
She doesn’t look forced on the photo. That being said she was also a prostitute soooo 🤡

Lol wtf apparantly themotters are abusing the reddit report system

She was one of the prostitutes so yes it’s about the money.

It’s not the Jews, it’s the juice.