Scott has a long post defining and defending a particular version of “rationality”, focusing on Steven Pinker’s recent book and a review of it by Howard Gardner. There’s a lot to unpack there, but this paragraph jumped out at me:
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-are-we-arguing-about-when-we?s=r
If the “rules of rationality” say you need to do something that makes you lose money for no reason, they weren’t the real rules. The real rules are the ones that leave you rich and happy and successful and make the world a better place.
Note the blithe equation of rationality with making money. This is really the core of the shitty politics of the Rationalist sphere. You can tell how rational someone is by how much money they have. This is why they hate the left with such a passion, because it’s pretty definitional for the left to not believe that, to instead hold that the distribution of wealth and power is not particularly rational and society needs to change to make it more equitable.
Not these guys though. To them, money is a sign of rationalist grace, and if you are poor it’s probably because you are also stupid. There is no tension between the goals of making money and improving the world, and thus the rich guys like Thiel and Musk are also our saviors.
Rationalism involves packaging up this rather boring and reactionary attitude in such a way that it appears like a sexy new insight.
Groan.
Latter-Day Calvinism. If “rationalists” knew any history or sociology they might be dangerous
“Diogenes, you wouldn’t have to live on lentils if you learned to flatter Thiel.”
“if you can’t make sense of something, it must be the other person who needs the IQ points.” Incredible. A man with a neutron star for a brain
Is Scott now just stealing sneerclub content? Didn’t we talk about this tweet before. (E: talking about the actual article here btw)
Of course our content was wittier. (and we can grok the difference between rationality and LW Rationality).
E: his reference to posting predictions is funny, according to some people of r/ssc who did the math, he is getting worse over time, and he is nearing the 50% mark on his predictions.
When LW just became a thing, some commenters criticized the Rationalist project as contradictory/hypocritical: “if you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich”. If, by definition, instrumental rationality is about achieving goals in most efficient way possible, why can’t you efficiently and rationally make tons of money, when money is a problem? See, for example, Rationality is Systematized Winning.
What Scott is doing is lampshading this criticism, noticing the skulls, if you will. This of course isn’t a rebuttal to criticism, so they way Yudkowsky weasels out of it is usually through “every second I spend getting a Ph.D., making tons of money to not rely on donations, fixing PR problems is a second I could be spending on solving the friendly AI problem”. Of course how watching anime all day long, ruining orgasms, and writing horny fiction helps with friendly AI is a mystery.
I struggle to understand how they don’t realise that for the vast, vast majority of the world that means the “rational” answer is “Murder all the rich people and redistribute their stuff.”
Man, this guy would fuckin’ hate Aristotle.
subservience to the status quo. the path of least resistance. this is what rationality means to these people.
theyve pioneered an entire intellectual philosophy predicated upon taking dominant power structures at face value.
Oh shit we doing Prosperity Gospel now boys, buckle in.
I’ll just say I agree with about a third of your point but somehow you’ve managed to take the one sensible kernel of an idea in an otherwise intensely sneerable post and fuck up the landing
Yeah, they worship cash in the worst possible way but not only is that an absurdly literal reading of your specific quote, he’s not doing the Greed Is Good thing here more generally at all
There are so many laughable bits of that review: why pick this one?
Ex-cuuuuse me? Lmao current AIs are about as good at being intuitive as rationalists are at reading comprehension.
Lame midwit neckbeards fiddling with elementary logic and economics, these guys suck so much
number go up
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use is the rule? - Anton Chigurh, Rationalist
It’s the unit of caring!
Doesn’t he argue that this isn’t what rationality is actually about in like the very next paragraph? Seems sarcastic
“This has the happy side effect that it’s impossible to be against rationality. But it also has the more concerning implication that it’s vacuous to be in favor of it. If rationalists were people who really liked explicit chains of computation, we could print out cool “TEAM EXPLICIT CHAIN OF COMPUTATION” t-shirts and play nasty pranks on the people who like heuristics and intuition. But if it’s just about preferring good things to bad things, it doesn’t really seem like a method, or a community, or an ideology, or even necessarily worth writing books about.”