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Who actually believes in conspiracy theories?

Scott vaguely attempts to analyze the data about whether religion is protective of believing in conspiracy theories. He sees a study that shows this not to be true. But, wait. Q’uelle horreur! They are guilty of cherry picking:

There’s an obvious confounder here: the authors are doing the usual trick where they cherry-pick right-wing examples of something bad, show that more right-wingers are in favor of them

Scott, our brave and intrepid truth seeker seeks to remedy that by analyzing who believes in : UFOs, Bigfoot, and Astrology.

I’m sure I can’t think of a single reason why the most devout church attendees would be less likely to believe in UFOs. Or astrology. Or Bigfoot. Nope. Nothing. Nada. After all, Scott considered that and concluded it couldn’t possibly be the reason.

It’s been a long time since I’ve looked at a Siskind essay, but he’s really phoning it in. Only about 20 paragraphs, with a few images of graphs he pulled from outside. Where’s the effort? Where’s the multiple meandering sections to obfuscate just how neo-reactionary his thesis is? What happened to you, bro?

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Man I can't speak for everyone in those shoes but after ducking out a couple-ish years before that NYT fiasco I ended up here rather than on any more adjacent spaces so that says something.
Yup, ditto
> What happened to you, bro? He got a substack. I half remember him saying in some post many years ago that he wrote because he spent all his time studying and working, and these non-medical related topics would burn in his brain until he was bursting with them. Once it reached a boiling point, he’d write an essay. His point was that writing was a creative outlet, and it absolutely feels like it’s not an outlet anymore, it’s a job. Fuckin disappointing, both for his moments of clarity and for good sneers.
Is Siskind the same as SSC?
Scott Siskind writes (edit: wrote) on SSC under the alias of Scott Alexander

The original Economist story didn’t even claim to be about conspiracy theories in general. (Maybe the headline could be read that way, but news headlines are meant to be catchy and often aren’t even written by the authors of the story.) It’s not “cherry-picking” to look at right-wing conspiracy theories when you announce that your story is about QAnon.

Americans who believe in the conspiracy theories collectively packaged as “QAnon” have grown quiet in recent months. They gained international notoriety after a large group of believers were among those who stormed the US Capitol building during a violent riot on January 6th. But the precise cause of the movement’s appeal has yet to be pinned down. One prominent theory is that Americans who have no religious affiliation find themselves attracted to other causes, such as the Q craze. Another, posited by Ben Sasse, a Republican senator from Nebraska, is that modern strains of Christian evangelicalism which “run on dopey apocalypse-mongering” do not entirely satisfy all worshippers—and so they go on to find community and salvation in other groups, such as QAnon. Using The Economist’s polling with YouGov, an online pollster, we can test both of these theories.

Scott will probably also add this to his "big media lies to you" file while simultaneously maintaining that his original take was correct.

but the economist weren’t asking whether left or right wing people believe in more conspiracies, all they wanted to know was whether it was less religious people or more religious people who believed in them, and they didn’t conclude anything about the left or right political preference of conspiracy theorists while they were answering that question

This doesn’t make any sense

Yeah that paragraph was the most galling of the post, it really feels like he’s been so polarized he can’t even read a fairly basic article without injecting his culture war assumptions into it. That or this is like that time he passed on a lie he read about the FDA without checking it, and he never actually read The Economist article, he just had it mentioned to him by a friend who was making that argument. And honestly, the whole post feels like a first year philosophy student’s essay where you can tell they’re only considering what they’re talking about as they write it and are forced to conclude in confusion because they’ve only thought about the topic for the 30 minutes it took them to type.
>And honestly, the whole post feels like a first year philosophy student’s essay where you can tell they’re only considering what they’re talking about as they write it and are forced to conclude in confusion because they’ve only thought about the topic for the 30 minutes it took them to type. I'm writing a long piece about one of Scott's essays at the moment and this is, almost word-for-word, one of my conclusions. I think it's one of the defining aspects of his writing.
Hey, if you don’t mind, where could I find this piece once you’ve finished it?
I will post a link in this sub.

Scott also forgets that this is about the US which is a profoundly weird country religion and conspiracy theory wise.

E: mega contrarian mode

The astrology question also asked ‘do you believe the position of the stars and planets influences peoples lives’, the answer to this is yes, the day night cycle of the earth and sun does influence peoples lives. (With questions like this there is going to be a lot of people giving the lizardmen constant answer)

To state the obvious wikipedia says “The Catechism of the Catholic Church maintains that divination, including predictive astrology, is incompatible with modern Catholic beliefs[34] such as free will:[4]”

Also astrology isn’t even a conspiracy theory or more “woo” than belief in the bible so wtf?

As for UFOs, if God’s only son was human, it would be strange to posit the existence of UFOs or any other human-like species.

As for Big Foot, I see no reason why he couldn’t be one of the species preserved by Noah on the arc. I’d argue Big Foot is perfectly compatable with the beliefs of churchgoers.

Big foot is one of the Nephilim, fixed.
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Cool TIL.
According to folk mormonism, bigfoot is actually Cain.
Didn't the Catholic Church put out some sort of statement saying that, while they didn't necessarily believe in UFOs, aliens were entirely consistent with Catholic theology?
That wouldn't surprise me. They have no stance against evolutionary theory, even though the bible says women were created from a man's ribs, among other things which don't really fit with evolution.
[Wikipedia on Bigfoot](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot): > Some alleged observations describe Bigfoot as more "man-like", with reports of a human-like face … "It looked more human than animal". An ape-human crossover species? And you don’t see why “evolution is a lie” church goers might be less prone to accept it? Edit: I’m not saying believers in religion are made up entirely of young earth creationists, etc. But we are only trying to explain a statistical drop in acceptance of Bigfoot. And that’s certainly commensurate with enough sincere and devoted believers rejecting the possibility of any possible link from apes to men.
I can't speak for anyone else but I never thought of Big foot as a crossover species so much as a wacky monster like King Kong. I googled Big Foot and "the bible" and one web site days 'Some people look into the Bible and claim to find “proof” that Bigfoot exists. Usually, the theories involve Esau, Cain, or the Nephilim. Esau was born covered with hair (Genesis 25:25), and his descendants, the Edomites, were enemies of Israel. These facts lead some to speculate that the creatures we call “Bigfoot” are actually modern-day Edomites, who have inherited Esau’s trait of being “a man of the field” (Genesis 25:27)." The article goes into more detail if you are interested: https://www.gotquestions.org/Bigfoot-Sasquatch.html
Oh, sure, there isn’t anything inherent in religion that rejects “monsters”, etc. Indeed, his own results show plenty of adherents do believe in Bigfoot. But, see, my edit above. We only need to explain a drop in belief. You simply need to have enough people reject it on religious grounds to have the effect.

I particularly liked the “It’s not fair to talk about QAnon, illegal votes, and COVID microchips, because they’re right wing conspiracies!” stuff, with absolutely zero awknowledgement of the fact that most conspiracy theories are right wing so by ignoring them you’re not only selecting a biased sample, you’re refusing to engage with the underlying truth that most conspiracy theories are right wing and maybe that’s pertinent fucking information.

A lot of similarities here to his recent post Which party has gotten more extreme?, where he whines about studies that find right-wingers are more extreme while blatantly cherry-picking nonscientific surveys and internet quizzes that find left-wingers have gotten more extreme.

I just can’t deal with how smug this asshole is. God I wish he would fuck off.

Not to mention, this whole post is one long exercise in the ecological fallacy. Just annoying how these guys are so self-congratulatory in their own intelligence but keep missing out on the basic inferential stuff all of the time.

Are UFOs, Bigfoot and astrology even “conspiracy theories”? Certainly there are conspiracy theories around those (namely, “these are true and the government/Illuminati/etc is hiding the evidence”), but believing in the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe isn’t really a conspiracy theory, especially when compared to actual conspiracy theories with actual real-world consequences such as QAnon.