posted on August 21, 2022 09:25 PM by
u/killallconservatives
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normal person: checks if their pre-existing beliefs have any crazy
consequences that do not seem to correspond with the real world,
re-evaluates them
rationalist: checks if their pre-existing beliefs have any crazy
consequences that do not seem to correspond with the real world,
believes them unconditionally
It really is wild how much a movement that is ostensibly founded on the principle that people should change their beliefs based on available evidence more often produces people who are absolutely unwilling to change their beliefs based on available evidence. What's even the point of calling yourself a "rationalist" at that point? It's like calling yourself a "socialist" and advocating purely for completely deregulated free markets.
normie: "okay, so maybe high IQ alone isn't sufficient to achieve huge progress in short periods of time"
scott computers, a rational, so furious tears boil up in his eyes: "you fool, you absolute dunce"
Oh my God thank you for this that line so perfectly describes like 95% of rationalist discourse. I can see the entire SSC article like the proverbial statue in the block of marble. "People get really upset when you even ask whether nine women can make a baby in one month. I dunno. Maybe its my cis het white male privilege talking but I think understanding human gestational development is kind of important and something we should maybe be studying. Florfty percent of women struggle with infertility or maternal health issues. At bare minimum maybe don't start screeching that people are deranged misogynist incels for trying to make pregnancy a little easier on women."
That’s the stupidest set of wildly yet confidently incorrect
suppositions I’ve seen on the internet this week so kudos to the person
who wrote it- I feel dumber just for having read it.
Alexander Kruel btw is XiXiDu, the guy who got harassed into a
nervous breakdown by Yud’s acolytes a good few years ago, and has become
a rationalist since
How is it that whenever I learn more about these guys' real-world actions (as opposed to their ideology as expressed in their online writings) it's always something even cultier than the last thing?
"HEY YOU DISAGREE WITH US SO WE'RE GOING TO HARASS YOU UNTIL YOU JOIN US and then presumably love-bomb you about how cool and rational you are for updating your priors to match the group consensus"
The Manhattan project was famously a thing the US recruited a lot of
foreigners to, including many who from occupied Europe. Niels Bohr fled
to Sweden on a fishing boat and was flown to the UK strapped in the bomb
bay of a fast bomber. But I’m not sure “be welcoming to immigrant
academics” is a message this guy would like.
But more to the point the bigger factor than availability of geniuses
was a willingness and ability to throw enormous resources at the
project.
As long as there is an even number of Manhattan projects, it will be fine. What we should be worried about is China birthing enough STEM geniuses to bring the number up to 29. At that point, I fear we'd need to send some of our own STEM geniuses to even it out 30.
Assuming that intelligence alone can get you such results is the
dumbest thing I’ve seen in my life… The fact that the rationalists
believe this clearly shows that there’s no one of high intelligence
among them…
And the statistics in the article look more suspicious than gas
station sushi…
Theres actually a number of books on failed nuclear and biological weapon programs - all of which very which challenge rat beliefs re supergenius/AI doomsday scenarios.
I should say demolish really because lol.
Lol he literally said ‘28 Manhattan projects at the same time’.
I get this is some sort of way to make a parallel between industrial
capacity and intellectual capacity. But the fact that you only need one
Manhattan project should show you why this parallel is a bit flawed.
E: ah yes, this
comment is saying what I was trying to say much better.
E2: ow god the comments on his facebook post are so bad.
One thing that right-wing rationalists and internet communists share
is a conviction that China is some high-tech paradise now despite the
fact 40% of the population still lives rurally and most of them live in
extreme poverty by U.S. standards. The Chinese rural population scores
under 90 in IQ tests but you rarely see that mentioned in the whole
stupid discourse around National IQ.
i was so relieved to see this was from here and not one of the
communist subreddits (not that they’d have much compunction about
propagating it either lmao)
His source on the facebook post is just him saying that. Could be anything, could be that the population of China is just a bit larger, or that and taking the Chinese IQ statistics at face value and doing the math (but considering the IQ stats I heard (which I don't trust, any IQ fetishists, please don't), and the population numbers, you run into some really racist math if you want to get at 28 times (because you need to significantly push down the IQ of the US I think)).
E: thinking about it for a few minutes more, you prob can also get these results due to the shifting of the normal distribution to the high IQ part if you just trust the Chinese IQ stats, but I have not done the math on that.
normal person: checks if their pre-existing beliefs have any crazy consequences that do not seem to correspond with the real world, re-evaluates them
rationalist: checks if their pre-existing beliefs have any crazy consequences that do not seem to correspond with the real world, believes them unconditionally
This is one of those “nine women can make a baby in one month” type deals huh
That’s the stupidest set of wildly yet confidently incorrect suppositions I’ve seen on the internet this week so kudos to the person who wrote it- I feel dumber just for having read it.
Alexander Kruel btw is XiXiDu, the guy who got harassed into a nervous breakdown by Yud’s acolytes a good few years ago, and has become a rationalist since
The Manhattan project was famously a thing the US recruited a lot of foreigners to, including many who from occupied Europe. Niels Bohr fled to Sweden on a fishing boat and was flown to the UK strapped in the bomb bay of a fast bomber. But I’m not sure “be welcoming to immigrant academics” is a message this guy would like.
But more to the point the bigger factor than availability of geniuses was a willingness and ability to throw enormous resources at the project.
Assuming that intelligence alone can get you such results is the dumbest thing I’ve seen in my life… The fact that the rationalists believe this clearly shows that there’s no one of high intelligence among them…
And the statistics in the article look more suspicious than gas station sushi…
Lol he literally said ‘28 Manhattan projects at the same time’.
I get this is some sort of way to make a parallel between industrial capacity and intellectual capacity. But the fact that you only need one Manhattan project should show you why this parallel is a bit flawed.
E: ah yes, this comment is saying what I was trying to say much better.
E2: ow god the comments on his facebook post are so bad.
Made a screenshot for those who are more into Object level and not into Meta.
And as the screenshot has links:
Link 1 (With bonus link to the actual twitter account which this is the thread from, because going back to twitter from the threadreader is difficult)
Link 2
(both links stripped of the tracking url parts).
See also: China is mass producing destroyers*
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One thing that right-wing rationalists and internet communists share is a conviction that China is some high-tech paradise now despite the fact 40% of the population still lives rurally and most of them live in extreme poverty by U.S. standards. The Chinese rural population scores under 90 in IQ tests but you rarely see that mentioned in the whole stupid discourse around National IQ.
i was so relieved to see this was from here and not one of the communist subreddits (not that they’d have much compunction about propagating it either lmao)
Yeah-h-h, that’s how that works
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What is the basis for the IQ claim? Has there been a new *randomised sample* population based IQ study in China and USA, or is it pure speculation?
(I don’t click on Facebook links)