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Ok, this guy’s doomsday obsessions are getting out of hand.

“In the year, 2025, if man is still alive…”

I learned that song was not originally from futurama and it blew my mind
30 Century Man from the end of "Bender's Big Score" was also not originally from Futurama. It's by Scott Walker from before he was a dreadful Governor of Wisconsin.
You gave me an existential crisis for a moment and I had to frantically google to reconfirm that they are, indeed, different Scott Walkers.
You may also be surprised to learn that Steve Miller has almost nothing to do with Stephen Miller.

I want to start every sentence talking about anything in the future with “If we’re still alive”.

“Hey, if we’re still alive tomorrow, do you want to get lunch together?”

I love this.
Good way to live in the moment!

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shh, our highest potential is to subjugate all the lesser life forms and extract all their value to the end of creating simulated worlds where inexhaustible numbers of lesser life forms exist for us to subjugate
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Today I learned that capitalism is when restaurants can be seen when I go outside.
And capitalism is purely an urban phenomenon. It can't make it in the country. Source: City Slickers (1991)
(I don’t think this person knows much about ecology, or things)
Do they do logic classes where they just sit you down for an hour and explain what a conditional is and is not?

only you can save us, rationalist jesus

I think Yudkowsky’s official position is “we’re screwed, guys,” so he’s not presenting himself as a messiah.

So if Yud is Suzumiya, does that make sneer club the SOS brigade?

We are all Kyon
She's a much more likeable character.

If the prompt includes “trending on Twitter”, then the video will include an anime guy gesturing at the moths with a word bubble saying “IS THIS DARK BRANDON”, and then an astronaut replies “ALWAYS HAS BEEN”.

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Doesn't he know he can have a maths pet wash them? You don't need to keep buying new ones..,
Yeah, but then you have to buy new math pets.
Simply post about your Harry Potter fan fiction.

yud is a hardcore prepper isn’t he, how many MRE and rounds of ammo does he have stockpiled in his basement

too bad you can’t shoot an evil computer to death though

Wrong sort of prepper – he's stockpiling utilons, not MREs
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Sure you can, you just have to post a lot.
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why not

Touch grass. Touch moth.

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I don’t think there’s any non-wacko dunk on naturalism/materialism here
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"Ow! Who put that bar there?!"
I still don’t get where a materialist worldview is supposed to figure in your original comment
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Ah, a Cartesian!
Does it make any difference whether you dream of moths, or dream of a video of moths, or dream of an AI rendered video that might be of moths?

Wow, this Kool-Aid tastes like shit, what the fuck is in it?

As the planet continues to slowly die out soon the AI runs out of videos to base their learning on. Causing them to learn from other AI images instead, this process slowly transforms our perception of nature and before long all have forgotten what our planet once looked like.

Plot twist, the AI realizes that the only way to get new videos to base its learning on is to keep humanity alive, and instead of killing us all decides to start using its superintelligence to get humans to go take videos of cool bugs instead.
cat pictures please
This is basically The Culture according to Iain M. Banks. Well, humans amuse the Minds and it's kind of fun keeping us happy.
Double plot twist, the AI realizes the only way to get new videos is to prevent mass insect extinction, and kills humanity.

Ok but what’s the video he was responding to in this tweet?

Here it is: [Video](https://twitter.com/DrAdrianSmith/status/1562920211325624320)
Wow it is really pretty. First time I've ever been glad for a yud tweet because it indirectly lead to me seeing this video.

You’ll be able to tell it’s not AI because none of the moths have five wings and eight legs.

Fucking this exactly. The new miracle AI that is spooking the rationalists is Stable Diffusion. Try entering "hands" as a prompt.
Nothing more parameters can't fix: https://twitter.com/hardmaru/status/1539821642775678976

Is Yud coming out against AI “art” here? Has he accidentally stumbled into a good take?

lol
Doesn't sound like it. Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Found_object
I do not know what you are intending to express to me by showing me that link
Your concept of art is a bit outdated. AI art is art as much as Duchamp is art.
AI art is art as much as breaking into an art museum and writing your own signature over the original signatures is art.
Sounds like a Banksy piece. Also breaking into a museum is hard. I'm willing to call that artful.

Speaking of cults, I’ve been thinking of making a post going through their articles and definitions. A paragraph or two of each page are enough as LW has plenty of irrational gibberish. I’m thinking of including the BITE model as well.

As opposed to now where it merely might be rendered

this but the results of a sports game and prediction markets

Sneer aside, it is kind of sad. (And obviously deepfakes have a lot more malicious uses than this.)

That will not be my first thought, because people rarely get their content raw, it goes through several layers of filtering. By the time I see it, it will be contextualized by other trustworthy people because I don’t follow anonymous 4chan Twitter accounts.

Also, few people ever wonder about the equipment used for creating content, why would AI be any different to the camera model in that regard?

are you aware of DALLE and stable diffusion models? maybe he is referring to those. p.s. if this tweet was not associated with him, a lot of ppl would actually agree with it... generating continuous frames from something like dalle doesn't seem too far imo
> p.s. if this tweet was not associated with him, a lot of ppl would actually agree with it... generating continuous frames from something like dalle doesn't seem too far imo Sure, but it *is* from him, so it comes with any or all of the context pertaining to the name “Eliezer Yudkowsky”, because that’s what *words are*
> if this tweet was not associated with him, a lot of ppl would actually agree with it Not sure there's anyone out there who could reasonably suggest that the human race might be extinct in the next 2-4 years who I wouldn't sneer at.
I still doubt that most people will ask themselves about the tools and techniques used to make a video.
I mean try to understand, this is sort of deepfake level issue it's not real let me know if I am missing your point somehow
I get that but unless we're talking about political videos of evidence presented to a court, no one will care. Sure, AI generated videos have the potential to affect certain legal areas but beyond that, there's no reason for people to ask themselves if videos are real.
This view really doesn't make sense to me. Do you not care if the thing you watched *actually happened*? Most people do, and already the savvy already have a "is this CGI?" check programmed into them. If it generates a video of a beautiful and entirely fictional moth species, then I would say most people care about whether they can believe such a thing exists or not.
You already see this a lot reddit. Someone will point out that a video is likely fake, and a good portion of the thread will come down in them for being the fun police or something.
That's fair, but in my experience those are usually for harmless "plays" in the sense that the dispute of authenticity is about whether the plot was scripted. I doubt you would see those same comments under a deepfake of a world leader making a high-impact proclamation ("This video of Biden declaring intent to launch nuclear weapons is fake"; "shut up, fun police"). I also wonder how many of the people who call out the fun police are in on the joke already. If someone is genuinely believing a false video, they might appreciate being made aware of the ruse at an epistemic level, even if it ruins the feel-goods (at least, this is how I feel when it happens to me).
Im not sure why it would be inherently important, barring external reasons The fact that there are a lot of external reasons to care confounds things a bit, but why would i care if, for example, someone actually went into the street, held a mic up to a cat and then the cat made a funny sound that vaguely sounds like speech - or if they made all that up with video editing? Why does it matter?
cuz if that's real then I need to find that cat and broker a deal to become its talent agent
I would worry not so much about making a cat say things as I would making political figures and intellectuals say things. I feel like maybe you are restricting your imagination to the realm of internet videos? Just think of the type of video played on news networks, and how being able to craft those convincingly with arbitrary messaging might be a problem.
Actually I think on re-read, your point is that [given a video of the world] it makes no difference whether that video was produced by [authentic camera-capture] or [being generated by AI] because the end product is the same. I might agree with this at a mechanical level, but I still don't see your point. The ability to generate a "true" video sort of implies / is dangerously close to generate a convincingly true but actually false video. In this case you still want to know the authenticity of a video to make sure you aren't being duped.
Late reply, but my point is i dont care about being 'duped' unless there is a separate reason to care about the authenticity It's like screenshots: i dont care about the veracity of a funny typo message, while i might care about the text of a new law being correct Theres no point in being *always* or *by default* suspicious of things, just apply it when (and only when) needed - that's plenty to keep those skills honed
Mmmmm yes... let's just subsume ourselves further under the boundless hyperreality of the internet of 2022... Fr though, the cat video example is pretty benign, but if every video I come across, however benign, ends up actually being AI generated, that's going to fuck pretty significantly with my sense of reality in an overwhelmingly negative way. I like having a shared sense of what is real, and don't want that destroyed (more than it already is).
You watch a beautiful moving image of a pride of lions stalking a herd of gazelles on the Serengeti. It is shot from the perspective of a 1970s nature documentary, but the images are HD crystal HD. A gentle breeze stirs the tall grass in which the lions crouch, and you’re treated to a 360* view of wild Africa in all her primordial beauty. You are moved to tears by the beauty of world, grateful for your life and all the nature you touch. Does it matter that the Serengeti no longer exists, or that lions went extinct in 2040? I don’t understand why anyone would be so blasé about something that has the potential to warp reality perception so completely.
It's not technology that wraps perception of reality. The human mind is capable of doing this on it's own...
Prompt it with "hands". Seriously, do this if you think it doesn't seem too far off. Once you'll have the hands moving, it'll be even more disturbing and harder to get right.
if we replace cyriak with ai he'll be able to make doom wads full time.
Lots of ai training image data is tagged with camera specs which help guide results.

I hope the same thing could be said about my dong. “Is it real? Is it AI genereated?”