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Well there goes the sub, prepare for september. Also we did it, we hit the mainstream open up the bubblies folks, finally the big mainstream social proof we always wanted. (Im just posting this so a Rationalist can go 'ha see we were right they did it for the social proof'. Some of them made up this was the reason we sneered, and not all the other reasons (oddly 'they think we are wrong, a waste of time, and dangerous' never seems to come up)) E: > If you are a normal, decent, well-socialized human being, you probably have not heard about Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. lol, the man can sneer. Think we all got burned here.
I'm only here to virtue^1 signal, because status is all I care about. ^1 The virtue is smugness.
Oh, I make no claims to being normal, decent, well-socialized, or … what was that fourth thing?
We should do an AMA where he has to ask SneerClub questions

this is good and I am extremely looking forward to the podcast. Evans has picked the correct fuckheads to hate in the correct way.

I listen to his stuff fairly regularly; I'd say I'm a fan of his podcasts even if they're not my go-to's if I really want to understand a topic. The pure bemusement at HPMOR though, makes me wonder how much time Rationalists spend discussing how tf all their insular and axiomatic (to them) jargon might be received by the masses of normies who they ostensibly need to get on board at some point?
> Rationalists spend discussing how tf all their insular and axiomatic (to them) jargon might be received by the masses of normies who they ostensibly need to get on board at some point? From my experience, Rationalists and EAs absolutely do not give rats ass about normies. It's everywhere, from EA's entire mode of existence is to convince millionaires to donate money to the right causes, to Rationalists rolling their eyes at you and refusing to speak, when you're not a Math Olympiad winner from a prestigious university, to their obsession with IQ and eugenics. The genuinely believe there's a hierarchy of moral worth of people, and most people aren't worthy of their time and energy.
particularly given HPMOR was literally created as a recruiting exercise

Damn… her list of “cute boy things” is basically just just dark triad traits

Those are all the “boys” she knows.

I’ve been reading his substack for awhile and literally just realized he is the cracked Robert Evans

What made him crack? And how was he before?
Cracked.com, humour website that did early listicle articles I used to read as a kid because they were like “top ten weirdest murders from the cola wars”
I was expecting more from the Cola Wars after Pepsi bought those Russian battleships.
I read a lot and it was formative, sad half of them turned out to be either sex pests or a white SSC fanboy writing under an Asian pseudonym. Robert Evans seems cool though
I don't think Pargin is still a SSC fanboy.
https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3AJohnDiesattheEn%20scott%20alexander&src=typed_query
Well. I feel foolish now.
Ugh
Sorry forgot to include the smiley. I knew. Those people ([some more news on youtube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlj0IzjSnNoduQF0l3VGng) is also former cracked people iirc) now doing proper journalism together with the huffington post/buzzfeed news has been one of the stranger developments in the world.

what up

I'll be impressed if you can research the lesswrong/rationalist community, condense that into a cogent hour, and then move on with your life. Emphasis on the third step: personally, it's so hard to look away from their ongoing antics, it's just too weird while at the same time, far too influential.
Same; it's like the rabbithole of reading about Scientology but with the uncanniness of most of it making more sense than thetans and Xenu and with even more insidious influence on the real world. I gave myself a bad headache the other night reading them fight on some messageboard about whether it's unwise to take psychedelics with your female employees.
LessWrong and the subculture that's sprouted from it as this generation's Church of Scientology is a shockingly good analogy. Both are belief systems that, on the surface, wrap themselves in a veneer of intellectualism and claim to offer scientific solutions to humanity's problems, and both have deep followings in subcultures of wealthy Californians (Hollywood for Scientology and Silicon Valley for LessWrong) that give them power and influence far beyond their mere numbers. And once you dig beneath the "rational" surface and go down the rabbit hole, both turn out to have some shockingly whackadoodle beliefs. It's about aliens for Scientology and AI for LessWrong, but either way, very little of it can appear "rational" in any way unless you're already deeply immersed in the culture. Even the insidious real-world influence has precedent. Scientology may be a joke nowadays, but back in the '70s they were taken seriously as a new religious movement amidst a culture that was deeply into that sort of thing, and they had enough power to silence their critics and get the FBI to back off on investigating them. It was only in the '00s, after Tom Cruise's public meltdown, *South Park*'s "Trapped in the Closet" episode, and Operation Chanology, that Scientology's public image went from "eccentric but harmless Hollywood kooks" to "holy shit, this is an actual, dangerous cult". We're just now learning how deeply Scientology had its hooks in the LAPD to get them to cover up the crimes committed by their celebrity members, and how (at least if you ask Leah Remini) this had the knock-on effect of creating a broader culture of not taking sex crimes seriously (because any attempt to investigate sex crimes in Hollywood could risk exposing prominent Scientologists). All the awful shit that antisemites accuse the Jews of, or that Christians accuse nebulous "Satanists" of, are things that the Church of Scientology actually did, or at least tried to. (Minus the baby killing.) An even better analogy, though, would be to say that the "rationalist" movement is a modern-day version of the broader New Age movement that Scientology was a part of. The big difference, I feel, is that Scientology is an organized religion with a hierarchical structure, while the rationalists are a diffuse subculture, with a handful of influential figures who one could call its "leaders" but no one organization running the show -- much like the New Agers, where you had multiple gurus and groups but no one single guiding power or organization. Also, while Scientology had a lot of money and celebrity members, it left no broader cultural impact. L. Ron Hubbard's books sold only within the Church, and its celebrity members didn't make movies that featured what you could call "Scientologist themes". (And when they tried to, like with *Battlefield Earth*, they usually flopped.) When movies, TV, music, and games featured Scientology or (more commonly) parodies thereof, it was usually to poke fun at it. The New Age movement, on the other hand, is a legitimate subculture. People shop at New Age stores. They go to New Age retreats and seminars. The Western lay person's understanding of Eastern religions and philosophies is heavily influenced by how the New Agers presented them in the West. The entire wellness industry is filled with New Age concepts. There are tons of movies, records, books, and graphic novels, from mainstream hits like *Star Wars* to underground cult favorites, that are rooted in New Age worldviews. And just like the rationalists, the New Age movement is filled with a lot of pseudoscientific silliness that, as seen with the rise of "conspirituality" in the last several years, can lead in some very disturbing directions.
yet another analogy is [my part in both their downfalls](https://reddragdiva.tumblr.com/post/156376931683/scientology-julian-assange-steve-cannane-and-me) South Park using sentences I'd written in the Wikipedia article on Xenu, lol
yet another analogy is [my part in both their downfalls](https://reddragdiva.tumblr.com/post/156376931683/scientology-julian-assange-steve-cannane-and-me) South Park using sentence I'd written in the Wikipedia article on Xenu, lol
Thanks for making things a little better. o7

Shit this means there’s a chance that podcast daddy is going to read my fanfics…

Oooh I’m slightly obsessed with the rationalist fanfic writers—can’t wait to do a deep dive into this.

Geeze, the comments are… something else. The idea that somehow people are just now thinking HPMOR is problematic because of the FTX scam is such an amusing / interesting way for someone to interpret the situation when there’s a link to a decade+ year old review in the article…

Oh, this is gonna be good…