LLT has a pretty eclectic range of priorities – stopping the use of
AI in the military, pandemic preparedness, and allowing neighbours to
vote on new local housing developments – all guided by the principle of
making ‘long-term’ thinking into a Labour Party priority.
yes, “eclectic” is a word for that
LLT says it wants a political return of so-called ‘cathedral
thinking’ – that those who designed Notre Dame didn’t live to see the
fruits of their own labour.
Notre Dame’s construction, though, didn’t make life any easier for
the poor and hungry who lived in the shadow of it.
Modern cathedral thinking:
Look if you think about it, due to climate change the slums under the new spaceX elevator construction site (due ~~2025~~, ~~2035~~, NaN) are prime real estate, the shadow of the huge tower provides ample protection against the scorching sun. And im sure they have fixed the cladding problem this time, third time is the charm. The poors in the slums should thank us really, we are doing it so they can reach the stars. Surely that is worth some hardship.
>LLT says it wants a political return of so-called ‘cathedral thinking’ – that those who designed Notre Dame didn’t live to see the fruits of their own labour.
Ah great so these guys are socialists, right? Right?
I don’t understand why Effective Altruists have decided they should
infiltrate center-left parties just to fund the most right-wing factions
in those parties against the left
they can just go pull their bullshit in right-wing parties no? those
places will be more hospitable for their bigoted beliefs like racial IQ
and other bullshit? why fuck with the center-left parties
internally?
They have already tried the right-wing parties in the UK. The problem is, is that right-wing parties are largely incompetent. Getting Cummings as the Chief Advisor to the PM was a massive coup in the UK - but Boris essentially cocked everything up by being an idiot. The last 3 years have been proof that the Tories have no idea how to govern a country. They are largely just there to collect a paycheck. See also, Truss.
Whereas Labour on the other hand, at least seem much more receptive to EA thought. Wes Streeting would happily gobble up whatever technocratic solution that you shove in his mouth.
As far as I can tell, Dom Cummings has pretty much laid the blueprint
for rationalism in politics. His methods were unreasonably effective,
and I doubt that rationalists will see much success here with their
mysterious groups, unless they can replicate his path.
https://dominiccummings.com/2017/01/09/on-the-referendum-21-branching-histories-of-the-2016-referendum-and-the-frogs-before-the-storm-2/
Quite a long read from the man himself. I recommend the section starting *Vote Leave exploited these forces* as that sums up the messaging.
Largely what I've seen of EA "political interventions" is messaging
mainly based on EA priorities such as pandemic preparedness. Unfortunately, it turns out that pandemic preparedness is not an easy sell to voters - they largely don't care about it, compared to more pressing day-to-day concerns. Take a look at Carrick Flynn's
campaign video:
https://twitter.com/CarrickFlynnOR/status/1488544019802112003
It's completely unfocused; what even is the core message here? It's hardly "Take back control" or "£350 million for the NHS".
I see, I hadn't realized he was behind "£350 million for the NHS"
>It's completely unfocused; what even is the core message here? It's hardly "Take back control" or "£350 million for the NHS".
To me it seems to mostly be about the candidate himself rather than his platform or goals.
ok! this place is broadly about the "Rationalist" subculture (that's what they call themselves) centred around the website LessWrong.
tl;dr these are the Roko's basilisk people. Here is what they believe: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk
they have a number of other bad beliefs, including scientific racism and neoreaction are quite popular and accepted
their philosophy is bad and they're awful people
some of us gazed into this abyss long enough to enjoy (for some value of enjoy) a subreddit where we can show their latest fucked up shit. so not *unfathomably* meta.
if there was a way to stop Reddit's random recommendations that would probably be best for everyone, but I expect there isn't
yes, “eclectic” is a word for that
zing
oh good, I’m relevant again
They’re about to get fucked by the statistically within average bounds dick of the law
I don’t understand why Effective Altruists have decided they should infiltrate center-left parties just to fund the most right-wing factions in those parties against the left
they can just go pull their bullshit in right-wing parties no? those places will be more hospitable for their bigoted beliefs like racial IQ and other bullshit? why fuck with the center-left parties internally?
As far as I can tell, Dom Cummings has pretty much laid the blueprint for rationalism in politics. His methods were unreasonably effective, and I doubt that rationalists will see much success here with their mysterious groups, unless they can replicate his path.
debate happening in the Renewal journal as well
https://renewal.org.uk/effective-altruism-longtermism-and-democracy-an-interview-with-dr-luke-kemp/
Rationalists can, sort of, read general election polling - shock!