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    Worth it to note that you don’t need an app to do this. It’s very common for cops to work off duty private security for retail stores, in uniform, with a full ability to make arrests.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Law enforcement officers are, according to Peelian principles, agents of the state and members of the community.

    If they can be rented then they are no longer police officers but mob goons. Hred guns. The same category as mercenaries (PMCs) and hit-men.

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      While you’re not wrong, hired mob goons wearing local PD uniforms has been a common thing - in the US at least - since forever.

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        The police in the United States teaches the Peelian principles but it’s heart is in its origins as hunters of escaped slaves. In the 20th century, there are two notable shifts in police trends:

        The first was Prohibition and the rise of the booze-runner gangs. This is where Cosa Nostra got a foothold here in the states and even after Prohibition was repealed, it was already installed, and this pushed law enforcement to start identifying civilian neighbors as other. Anyone not law enforcement was on the outside. By the time of the International War On Terror (and the PATRIOT Act) then the people were not just suspect but enemy on the pretense that terrorists were among us.

        (There was a similar sense of this during the cold war, in which we were encouraged to suspect our neighbors as communists or Soviet spies, but since they didn’t really blow things up - …yet… - it became a running joke among us civvies, especially after the McCarthy scare ended.)

        As a note, the whole Saints Row series of video games is based off the gang myth, and that street kids in the urbs unable to afford new Nikes could rise up to become bosses of international syndicates.

        The second was Nixon’s war on drugs, essentially a war on blacks (which – it can be argued – is a war on the poor). It started with cannabis. Then the DEA was formed which had easy license to do SWAT raids on houses (rather than knocking with a very specific warrant). This is also the era when gang myths rose. Not that gangs didn’t exist – they most certainly did – but the police gang experts claimed they were simultaneously feral teens that could not be reasoned with, and international crime syndicates that command all the drug trafficking with an iron fist and an AK47. Mostly it was teens doing mischief with little to do with the drug shipments blended in with all the other freight.

        (And the gangs didn’t really have guns until the police started selling confiscated firearms on the cheap in back-alley deals. I’d like to think those were an illegitimate racket, but it wouldn’t surprise me when they were endorsed by department admin.)

        Anyhow, the brutality of US law enforcement became evident after the Furguson unrest of 2014 (the killing of Michael Brown, where we saw officers pointing military weapons with poor trigger discipline.) At that point the public realised that BLM had been right about Trayvon Martin. Videos of officer involved killings became ubiquitous, and we were supposed to see reform after George Floyd and the 2020 unrest nationwide. (We were also supposed to abolish ICE as well, and are FOing what happens for not pushing the matter).

        So yes, absolutely this is an old, old problem. Another one of dozens that our national failure to address is coming back to haunt us.

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          the brutality of US law enforcement became evident

          Rodney King “can’t we all just get along” seemed pretty evident in 1991. George Quintana handcuffed/hog tied near the exhaust of an idling police car and dying while being ignored was happening around then on the other coast too…

          The pubic was plenty aware of “Pigs” and police brutality during Kent State in 1970.

          Our continued failure to address the adversarial stance of police, courts and populace has been haunting us my whole life, and my father his whole life back to the Vietnam draft days.

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            We really wanted to believe all the copaganda.

            During the Law & Order phase everyone was way into the copaganda.

            Now we have Blue Bloods and I bet people still watch that.

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              Yeah, feature length movies will show “bad cops” on screen for a few minutes, but the ongoing series tend to shy away from anything other that wholesome upstanding proud law men and women keeping the world safe from itself.

              I used to live in a neighborhood with a lot of police residents. Most of them are “good” in their own actions all of the time. All the ones I knew were “good” in their actions most of the time, but once in a while they’d go all judge-jury-and-executioner with a badge and a gun - I never knew about any coverups, but I did have a neighbor get suspended for a month with pay and a strong word from his sergeant “don’t to that again…” The worst of it is that virtually ALL of them will look the other way / assist in spinning an issue to “help a brother in blue out of a jam,” and they know that they have each others’ backs that way, so they will do bad things because they have that confidence that they are untouchable.

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    You couldn’t pay me to let a cop linger on my property, off duty or not, I don’t want someone unbound by law hanging around.

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      I feel like, if the land’s law doesn’t bind them, the law shouldn’t protect them. But that’s crazy talk, that’d mean fairness for the average Joe

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        Sentences for anybody given such powers when they do get caught breaking the Law and are actually prosecuted and found guity, should be at least double the sentences that people who had no such powers and inside influence in the Law Enforcement process get.

        If they have a priviledged position within the legal system with powers which others do not have (including, directly or indirectly the power to make it less likely that they are made accountable for their own crimes), the punishment for breaking the Law if and when they do get caught, prosecuted and found guilty (a big IF) should reflect their superior familiarity with Criminal Law, their lower probability of getting caugh, prosecuted and found guilty because they’re inside the very system that does it, and the fact that they abused the authority they were entrusted with.

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    just a reminder, mercenaries aren’t to be trusted as a military force due to weak loyalties completely dependent on financial compensation.

    but hey, you rich folks do whatever you want to do.

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    Nothing new here. Private citizens and organizations have rented real cops, both on and off duty, since forever. I can drop a dozen examples off the top of my head.

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    So people can now hire a cop to actually prevent a crime, instead of waiting for it to happen so that they can report it afterwards? Crazy times.

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      This has been going on my entire life (since the 1960s and before) - maybe it’s a new twist that a “startup” put up a website explaining the process but the process has been around forever.

      Example: ever see a cop hanging out at your grocery store, in uniform? Yeah, he’s not on duty, he’s been rented.

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    You know all those Cyberpunk books and movies?

    Apparently we thought those were a suggestion instead of a warning…

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      Tech bros actually think it’s something to aspire to. Saw some tech moron on Xitter say that cyberpunk is a utopia we can achieve. Then he started arguing with people who told him it’s a dystopia.

      Fascist tech bros think they will be the elites in Harlan’s World and not some downtrodden servant.

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    If they have time to work off-duty they have time to work an extra shift.
    They’re supposed to serve the people, not the rich.

    I hate walking into a supermarket and seeing a cop there working, in uniform. If those rich fucks want “security”, hire regular security guards.

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      I mean, cops effectively protect wealth, not people, so being rented like that certainly aligns with their daily jobs

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    Do they vet the people? Could someone hypothetically sign up for the app, case the rich person’s situation, and then do crimes? Sounds like a good way to find rich assholes.

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      Do they vet the people?

      Yes

      According to a press release, Patrol “officers” are “vetted professionals” from law enforcement, military, and special forces backgrounds.

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      Unless the business is ran by complete morons, it’s pretty unlikely that there is not some form of vetting or validation.

      The validation may have problems and may have holes but it probably exists.

      At least to me the one of the first questionswhen building a X For Hire service, aside from where do you find X and where do you find the people to hire them, Is how do you know that these people are actually X.