- cross-posted to:
- gaming@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- gaming@beehaw.org
Collective shout seems to have expanded its scope: games like cult classic Fear And Hunger have been removed from Itch.io, while horror game VILE: Exhumed has been delisted from Steam just a week after launch.
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Man, I knew it was only a matter of time but I didn’t think it would be this bad, this soon.
Fear & Hunger is a goddamn masterpiece. Yes, it has depictions of nonconsensual sexual acts. It’s in keeping with the lore of a world that is truly fucked even beyond our reality. It’s an integral part of the worldbuilding, and it is by no means glorified.
Agreed. Fear and Hunger has it’s issues and I would not broadly recommend it to anyone. I would also say that the FREQUENCY of sexual assault in the game, and the presence of some weirdly sexual status effects like anal bleeding are a bit overboard. That being said, when one of the earliest enemies can sexually assault you, or maim your character in a way that leaves you able to keep playing, but effectively crippled, it really nails home not just that the world is dark, but that your assumptions about what is in the game don’t apply here. Anything could happen. REALLY anything. And exploring a harsh, hostile world with that expectation set is one of the best parts of the game, because it’s a unique experience that you just can’t get at that quality anywhere else.
This sounds really good. I’ve never heard of the game before, but now I want to look for it.
First, I don’t understand why processors give a fuck. Do they imagine people are going to just stop using credit in protest of how other people spend their money? Tell me another fucking joke.
Second, I’m not a game developer, but I suddenly want to make a horror game that includes graphic, exploitive, gratuitous depictions of everything they complain about. And name the game Collective Shriek.
The worm that keeps getting put into payment processor’s brains is that they might somehow be held criminally liable for games people purchase. It’s like telling a bus driver that they might be liable because they gave a ride to someone who robbed a store.
NOW that they’ve started curating, that has become way more likely to actually happen. They could have claimed to be a neutral carrier before. Actively filtering means they’ve decided to take on that responsibility, and the consequences for missing stuff.
They’re morons
Time to sue my credit card company for preventing my purchases, but failing to prevent a purchase that was detrimental to me
That’s one way to not understand what I meant, I guess.
That what I just dont get about this.
If payment processors think they are liable because these games cause harm then where does it stop? Supermarkets sell cigarettes and so on…I hate corpos as much as the next guy, but I don’t think that’s a good rule to have.
It should also be bullshit in most if not all countries.
Called it. Soon all we’ll only be able to play baby games like Elmo’s big adventure puzzle book land, or something like that.
It’ll be some “evolution is the devil” creationism bullshit, because this is a Christian fascist movement.
They hate Elmo, too.
Nah, most likely Veggie Tales. Elmo is too woke and might cause dissonance with supremacists and Christian Nationalists. Oh, wait. I just repeated myself - sorry.
I feel like even those games will be banned if we don’t stop them now. My thoughts are that games like ‘I am Jesus’ is the end goal here.
Nah, we’ll still have our shooters and sports games, just not anything sexual (yucky), taboo or too outside of the ordinary.
So that’s how it works. Maybe people should also start harassing payment processors for weapon purchases, buying fossil fuels, oversized SUVs and whatnot until they stop caring.
Under their own reasoning, you shouldn’t be able to buy a Bible with payment processing.
The problem is that the people who care about the real problems aren’t completely fucking insane like collective shout and their ilk.
I resent this statement, but I guess my insanity is tempered by my utilitarianism. Can’t commit hate crimes against Mormons and Seventh Day Adventist right now due to their political influence. But one day I will feed their profligate priests to the Joshua trees.
That slope got real slippery real quick.
The Collective Shout logo looks like a butthole.
Thank you! First thing I thought when I saw that logo.
Six seasons and soon a Movie!
It’s an asterisk…
as
teriskTIL the thing under a cat’s tail is an “assterisk.”
I don’t get why the gaming platforms are removing games instead of removing the objecting payment providers as a payment option for purchasing those particular games.
If visa doesn’t want people to purchase game X with Visa, then remove Visa as payment option for buying game X.
You overestimate the adaptability of the average software stack. I worked at companies where even adding another button to the cart screen was a monumental undertaking
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Itch has come out and said it’s not Visa, it’s PayPal and Stripe.
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Removing those payment options would cause a massive loss of revenue.
But removing them from the specific games they object to would not lose any more revenue than removing the games entirely, and reduce the backlash significantly, as long as they could find 1 obscure payment provider to handle the obscure games and keep some form of access.
According to the statement someone else linked now, they will ask devs about whether they comply with the payment processors’ terms, and it sounds like those processors will otherwise be unavailable. They just had to blanket remove like this for now because they don’t actually have sufficient knowledge about all the games’ content.
We’ll see what will happen, and if it turns out devs are getting screwed in the long run, someone will fill the new market niche anyway.
Likely not worth the effort.
If this is true, all gamers who care about this issue of censorship should collectively boycott those payment processors. PayPal should be especially easy to disconnect from since they already suck.
Yeah I already stopped using them years ago haha
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I don’t get why the gaming platforms are removing games instead of removing the objecting payment providers as a payment option for purchasing those particular games.
I think the issue isn’t that the payment providers don’t want to support the purchase of those games with their card. They want to stop offering their services to a platform that sells those games.
It appears that in the future, Itch will allow creators to opt out of payment providers, meaning that it’s probably on a per game basis, not per platform. That Itch and Steam are not making a per game solution now, is most likely because their current software doesn’t allow it and they need time to rework it. Itch has promised various changes already, Steam has been mum afaik.
Source for Itch: “For NSFW pages, this will include a new step where creators must confirm that their content is allowable under the policies of the respective payment processors linked to their account.”. https://itch.io/updates/update-on-nsfw-content
Interesting! Maybe it’s a similar situation on Steam, but the payment providers demanded the platforms act immediately (or at least too soon for them to make such changes).
Or maybe Steam gets too many chargebacks on NSFW games and is ok with this? Lol
And then use what?
A few options include American Express, Discover, JCB, and the Steam Wallet, which can be funded through Steam gift cards.
I only use Steam myself, so I hadn’t checked Itch Io’s communication yet. I don’t know the platform myself so it’s quite possible that I’m misinterpreting this, but to me it appears that Itch Io will allow creators to delist payment options that they are not compliant with: “For NSFW pages, this will include a new step where creators must confirm that their content is allowable under the policies of the respective payment processors linked to their account.”.
Involving the MasterCard Mafia in your puritanical crusade is next to criminal. The only solution is to [CONTENT REMOVED FOR VIOLATING RESTRICTIONS AGAINST ADVOCATING VIOLENCE].
Why cant the payment processors just fucking ignore them oh my god
The people who would typically be expected to push back against collective shout also typically wouldn’t be expected to do anything effective whereas the people involved with collective shout are the type of people who give politicians money.
I think all the higher ups are afraid to admit they consume adult content so they will act as if it’s wrong.
Or you know, try bitcoin instead? 🤷🏻♂️
no
What I see is a new niche opening up for a website offering game sales through alternative payment processors.
Wait, that’s actually their logo? A butthole?
A stretched out pink butthole full of cum, yes
And kids, that’s how I met your mother
New punk band name found
gross, who would fuck them?
E Pluribus Anus.
So close to the Greendale flag from Community.
Isn’t there some hacker group putting Collective Shout in the crosshairs?
Hope so.
I think there are probably some skeletons in the closets of Collective Shout’s members. It’s always projection with these people.
Give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.
Maybe we should retaliate.
