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          It’s good to lurk and keep an eye on extremist spaces imho. Not good for the mental health, but helpful in intervening/deradicalizing teenagers following down those rabbit holes. Good to also prep counters and debunks to narratives before they take hold.

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      While I can understand his syntax, I fail to understand the substance of that sentence.

      Now I’m curious how wealth can be utilized in a manner that pertains to African-Americans. Funding sickle cell anemia research?

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        I think he is basically saying “I think that black people are bad. I also think that some billionaires are bad, but it’s #notallbillionaires . The innate badness that black people have and the bad billionaires have are the same, so I am going to call the bad billionaires black”. In other words, racist bullshit

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        N*gga rich is a term used by racists, and co-opted by rappers, to mean getting a small fortune and spending it on flashy ostentatious things.

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      I don’t think that’s a neologism. It’s just the adjective to ‘negro’.

      Basically he thinks billionaires are ‘behaving black’.

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      Not really. A n*gger is a race neutral term nowadays. It essentially means someone that takes far more than they will ever contribute, and in that respect, he’s absolutely correct

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        A n*gger is a race neutral term nowadays

        no. no it’s not. people know its origins and who it’s referring to. to deny this is a form of sealioning. fuck off with that

        It essentially means someone that takes far more than they will ever contribute, and in that respect, he’s absolutely correct

        attaching this meaning to it is a form of dog whistle to get people to associate these traits with Black people. you are doing the propaganda work of white supremacy right now.

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          supremaCISM

          “White supremacy” is what they think is the case. “White supremacism” is what they practice by thinking it.

          Sorry for pedantry but this is one of those things that drives me nuts, similar to “my grandpa is on Facebook with all his conspiracies”. NO. A conspiracy is real. A conspiracy THEORY is when a bunch of idiots think there’s a conspiracy.

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            Mine is the word entitlement vs false sense of entitlement.

            Me: “You are entitled to your social security money.”

            Other guy: “I’m not fucking entitled, that money is mine and I want it back.”

            Lol

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        I don’t know what racist town you’re from, but that is not reality no matter how much racists wish it was. As for a name for people who take more than anyone could ever deserve, we simply call them billionaires.

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        Woof, you realize that the episode of South Park you morons use to justify this “change in meaning” was satire, and was not meant to be a guide for how to use cognitive dissonance to change words’ meanings to your own liking.

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        Lmao this chode is really over here trying to ignore all of the cultural context and redefine the n-word, to be able to use it without getting punched in the mouth.

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      I find it funny how bad guys in fiction openly expresses that they’re in the dark side. That’s so comical it can’t happen in reality. Right?

      Nah, this guy is embracing ”Dark Enlightenment” as his core philosophy.

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        You start out thinking that the fictional one-dimensional villains are realistic as a kid

        Then you grow up and realize that they were just intentionally overdone hyperbole

        Then you grow up even more and realize that the fictional one-dimensional villains are very real

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        If you dig deep, Nick Land (coiner of the term “Dark Enlightenment”) draws a lot of influence from Bataille - and specifically fucked up shit written by Bataille. He’s got an article all about the philosophy of the “Story of the Eye” which is basically snuff erotica.

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      “He has defended the institution of slavery, and has suggested that certain races may be more naturally inclined toward servitude than others.[3][18] He has argued that whites have inherently higher IQs than black people,[18] and opposes U.S. civil rights programs.[19]”

      holy fucking hell

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        and has suggested that certain races may be more naturally inclined toward servitude

        Never his race though, that’d be silly.

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        Yarvin has been described as a “neo-reactionary”, “neo-monarchist” and “neo-feudalist”

        I’ve seen this for hardcore libertarian. They have one of the most unhinged subreddits. Their mod Derpballz was rather prolific is showing up to random communities with that BS. Bro is currently ban evasion as Irresolution.

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          “neo-monarchist” “hardcore libertarian” I love it when people have coherent views which aren’t self-contradictory.

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        Mississippi’s Letter of Secession on slavery:

        Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.

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    (I read the tweet)

    Mother of God…

    (I read his Wikipedia page)

    Oh, this is actually mild by his standards, my goodness…

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        I watched that on your recommendation. Turns out he’s just an old Usenet troll that spent too much time in his own head and started to believe his own bullshit. What’s baffling to me is how he became so influential.

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      He is a racial narcissist (and racial fascist) who has narcissistic delusions about race that are his projections of his own insecurity. He gets narcissistic supply from people responding to his delusions as if they are real. Which is why narcissists crave proximity and control so much and are fascists, because their biggest goal in life is to cater and caretake their delusions, not to actually think or do things or be progressive. It’s about the appearance of those things because it was always about narcissistic supply in the first place.

      Most white men who are racial narcissists believe in:

      • physical narcissism, which they believe black men are superior to them due to eugenics from chattel slavery, including a belief that they are stronger, their dicks are better and they are better at sex (this is a REALLY big deal to them, more than you would realize). This is also why white supremacists wanted to EAT and DID EAT black slaves. It’s also why they have to push narratives that black people are ugly, phrenology, etc. It’s why they are so physically cruel to them - they overabuse them because they are physically insecure.
      • intellectual narcissism, which they believe they are superior to black people because of chattel slavery/owning them (aka sadistic and psychopathic abuse, not intellect) and the various white supremacy lies. This is why they don’t like DEI. Again, remember this is projection- it’s their own deepest insecurities they vomit out constantly through delusions.

      Then these delusions can be applied to others not even in that group, because it was never based on reality to begin with. That’s why he’s calling white people the n word, he simply wants supply and it doesn’t matter if what he says makes sense or is rational.

      Tldr; Curtis Yarvin believes his own dick is small, he is bad in bed, he is weak, and he is stupid and a bad rich person who made his money like all very rich people - via slavery and theft.

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        Fascinating. I never understood why the cuckolding fetish (fixation? obsession?) came with such a strong overlap with, I guess, race play? Feels like a charitable way to put it.

        I didn’t believe it at first, but any quick web search will show that cuckolding largely is about the races of the people involved.

        Which makes a lot more sense if seen through the framework you just described.

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          There’s also overlap with power narcissism (“might makes right”, nearly always ties in to physical narcissism and intellectual narcissism), money narcissism (classism), gender narcissism (misogyny), and savior narcissism (the stuff you see in charities and churches, evangelicalism).

          And more ofc. There’s no limit to delusions someone can have.

          All of that overlaps because there is intersectionality of narcissitic abusers, who then look for victims who safisfy that. We focus a lot of intersectionality of victims and not their abusers. But it’s why Ted Bundy picked young white attractive college girls with long straight dark hair to attack - all of those aspects represent his own narcissistic delusions, they are not the fault or problem of the victim, but of the abuser projecting onto the victim. They look for perfect dolls or teddy bears to project onto. Ted Bundy was otherwise perfectly safe to Anne Rice and most people he encountered because she wasn’t someone he could fully project onto - his narcissistic delusion enforcement wasn’t triggered by her.

          So for eg it isn’t so much that Native American women are more likely to be murdered because they are Native women, but that there’s a widespread narcissistic belief set that murdering Native American women is not a concern, so much so that police and media and much of the public ignore it or actively aid it. And now we see this issue magnifying with the deportations - where are all the women? Latinos are just Native Americans who were colonized by Spanish speakers, after all.

          But when we focus on abusers instead of the abused, the abusers realize they will get cut off from supply and they have a huge pushback for control.

          And yeah it all ties into sexual stuff too

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        Sure, yeah, but none of that explains what billionaires being “negrous” means? Like something something connect them with the same negative attributes that they keep going on about?

        Can white billionaires be “negrous”?

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          Read again:

          Then these delusions can be applied to others not even in that group, because it was never based on reality to begin with. That’s why he’s calling white people the n word, he simply wants supply and it doesn’t matter if what he says makes sense or is rational.

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            I know I’m an idiot, but I actually still don’t understand it.

            So there is no black people, that are billionaires. So that is not a problem. But he wants there to be a problem. So he just says that they act black. Which is a problem.

            ?

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              His hatred of blackness is based on a delusion, an unreality, a false narrative. Therefore, it doesn’t actually need to make sense. He just compulsively uses that narrative to either feel 1) validated, smart, amazing, grandiose or 2) hated, a monster, the biggest victim and villain. He can even flip back and forth between these. These feelings are HIGHLY ADDICTIVE* for them, and it is what they prioritize over EVERYTHING ELSE.

              So it isn’t about making sense. It is about feeling grandiose and vulnerable. That’s it. It never had anything to do with black people in the first place, because the narratives he has around them werentreal anyway. It was about picking something he could get supply from.

              _*Addictions aren’t really real but for the purpose of this conversation, supply is like an addictive drug

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        Where I’m lost is does this mean he thinks billionaires are too overly physically prowessed, or because they are insufficiently intellectual?

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          It is simply manipulation and bad faith arguments to control people. He doesn’t actually think anything either way about them, he is frustrated and this is the narrative he uses to express frustration and manipulation

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      ok I’m going to TRY to explain his thinking but I’m likely going to come off as racist trying to explain it.

      What he’s saying is there are those who earned their wealth via hard work and all that other bullshit and others that just got it handed to them or give off the impression that they’re insanely wealthy when “they’re not”.

      this is what he likely means when he says “n-word rich”. Because this morons impression of wealth in the Black community is via watching music videos and watching reality TV. He’s watched way too many youtube vids about such and such Black music artist or athlete who wears all this “bling” has all these cars and a huge mansion with nothing in it but meanwhile said person is broke. that’s what he means by “n-word rich”.

      he could have just said “The problem is the majority of billionaires aren’t actually billionaires. They just think they are.”

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        That’s what I thought he was saying at first, but that still doesn’t even make any sense though. You are either a billionaire or you are not. I don’t know of anyone who goes around claiming to be a billionaire when they are not, and I could probably name a few who are but never mention it.

        Also why would it be a problem? Is he saying there is not enough of a wealth gap? That’s demonstrably false.

        And what’s with the nature and function bit?

        Sounds to me he’s just spouting hatred to be provocative without any real point.

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        Some people like to rebrand the n-word as a non-racial term. Pretending that it is not tied to skin color or racism but behavior.

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      No idea. I do think billionaires are a serious problem and shouldn’t be allowed. Dont care how many business they start. They have the power to buy elections and play games with our entire world so fuck em.

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      Now you, too, know about Curtis Yarvin. You thought Jordan Peterson was bad? Welcome to the club.

      And people think I’m exaggerating or polarising when I call Peter Thiel a neoliberal fascist.

      edit: it seems some people don’t understand that Neoliberalism and Fascism do, in fact, go together very well. And that the fascism we’re all facing now does not look the same as 90 years ago.

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      Start looking up techno feudalism

      Him and thiel …they want to end the United States and break it into company run states with no rules

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    How is it that the weirdest dudes keep ending up with so much power and influence. Like, this is just bigoted shit obviously, but it’s weird bigoted shit. What is it about people that makes them look at a weirdo freak (derogatory) like this and think “this is a man I need to have direct the entirety of my belief system going forward”?

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      Success is awarded to the confident. You can be an absolute weird idiot and still, in the right circumstances, get massive success just because people assume there’s a reason you seem so confident, and who are they to second guess that confidence?

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        Confidence is often mistaken for competence. I’d like to believe that’s why “con(fidence) men” are ever successful.

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        That’s literally the only reason Trump is where he is. He’s not actually good at anything.

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      I think a part of it is you have to be weird to want to chase power. Normal people aren’t thinking 24/7 about how they can leap frog their way into power

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        The other part is that normal people as party of a well functioning society need to actively maintain systems that keep fuckwits from accumulation to much power, and we haven’t been doing that.

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      Yeah, why can’t they just be a weirdo freak (celebratory) like the rest of us anarchists?

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      Useful idiots. There needs to be somebody who stands in front of the crowd and takes the blame. That person must be weird enough that people don’t keep following once the support is removed.

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    Ok, i reconstruct the slur in my mind and…what the fuck is that even mean? It sounds like another one of those word salad by intoxicated individual that mean absolutely nothing but also trying to be profoundly racist.

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      He’s saying billionaires spend their money ostentatiously, foolishly, lavishly like they never saw money before. “New rich” would be a comparable term.

      Still, not sure I completely get it.

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        In a spectacular display of racist logic this chud is saying that black people aren’t supposed to have inherited wealth, therefore all rich black people are nouveau riche (new rich). Which means that what they are saying is that spending with abandon is something only a newly rich black person would do.

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        Still, not sure I completely get it.

        Same. One legitimate criticism of how rich people interact with the economy is that rich people have a tendency to hoard their money instead of pumping it back into the economy. Spending all your dough may look tacky and ostentatious, but it creates more jobs than piling it up in a vault.

        So this guy’s thinking is contorted in fascinating ways. I am starting to wonder, though, does being a bad thinker make you more likely to be racist? Or does racism harm your thinking? Both?

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          Spending all your dough may look tacky and ostentatious, but it creates more jobs than piling it up in a vault.

          Won’t somebody think of the mega-yacht industry?!

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        So like covering everything with gold and putting your name in giant allcaps on them?

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      I think you have to go several levels of racism deep to even understand it. Like the (censored) phrase “I don’t hate black people; I hate N-----s” has to make enough sense you understand the “distinction” being made. Then you translate that distinction and apply it to some sort of “good billionaire” and you sort of get his claim.

      I think?

      I certainly could have missed his point, if any; I’m not sure it was worth catching.

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    I’m middle aged now, but I have to admit, while I’ve always known there was racism still around, and still part of the government. I’m blown away though at just how much more of it, and how deeply rooted it is. The kind of people in charge right now are literal cartoon villains when I was a kid.

    I mean that literally.

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      I’m blown away though at just how much more of it, and how deeply rooted it is.

      Same. Same. I’m feeling like I must live in a bubble (nobody around me is like that) and also that it was also always there, they’re just more comfortable taking their masks off right now. It’s depressing.

      On the flip side though the people I have around me are mostly family and my kids. I have zero social time beyond that at the moment. Two of my kids besties are not white so I’m at least absolutely sure I’m raising my kids to not be racist pieces of shit. It’s something.

      I genuinely expected that tweet to be a “you had me in the first half”. Like the naggers scene in south park. Fuck that guy. Absolute filth.

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        Nah, blatant racism isn’t much a thing anymore. It’s the systemic racism that is turning out sticky.

        I’m in the South and haven’t heard N, or any other slur, in ages. Confederate flags are rare enough to make my blood boil when I see one.

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          You’re not where I am in the South then. Lots of flags here. Not sure why people don’t get asses kicked over it like in other places.

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          Blatant racism is a thing, especially online and in gaming. They are literally building a whites-only town in Arkansas.

          The areas of the US that mainly were oppressing Native Americans have colorblindness as their main mode of racism, bc they were trying to genocide Natives. So never allowing talk of race and forcing assimilation is what colorblindness is.

          The areas of the US that had more black slaves have more explicit blatant racism, because the entire point in the past was to grow the black slave population and keep them in their place.

          Rec book Conquest: Sexual Violence and American Indian Genocide, and/or Heteropatriarchy and the 3 Pillars of White Supremacy to learn more.

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            It’s not as bad as social media makes out. I’ve seen more racism in Manhattan and Chicago than down here.

            When I moved to the South, black people often gave me the evil eye. Never had that happen before! Really woke to how angry they must feel when hit with random, senseless racism.

            Anyway, haven’t felt that in almost 20-years.

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            They are making shit up. There’s a whites only town being made in Arkansas right now and the legal system is allowing it there. There is actively a racist genocide happening of Latinos by this government. Kids and adults both yell the nword in games and even on a hacked Roomba. This one guy refusing to believe in racism is just his own racism, don’t buy into it.

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      Same, I find it genuinely shocking and very different from 10 years ago.

      Trump was literally depicted as a villain on Sesame Street in the 80s btw.

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      I’m pretty sure he also was the inspiration for more than one Captain Planet villain.

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      Is that real?! I remember them poking fun at Trump now and again as he was a national laughing stock.

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        Yes, there was a whole running narrative about bill the cat having his brain replaced with trumps back in the 80’s. my now completely crazy, maga dad, turned me on to bloom county as a kid so most of my politics likely took root with a large nosed penguin and his friends. Then when I hit high school, I found rage against the machine.

        But yeah, I never watched any of his reality shows, this is the turnip I knew, until he became the actual president. My brain has not recovered.

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          Oh god, I remembering a bit! Was following the daily release of Bloom Country when lemm.ee shut down. To this day, I can’t think of a more perfect snapshot of 80’s life. Anyone wanting to know what it was really like, read Bloom Country front to back.

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    Yarvin and Thiel scare me…

    Here’s some of Yarvin’s writings, if you want to feel like disappearing into the woods, getting on a rocket, and blasting off as far, far away from this planet as possible:

    precedent should be rolled back to 1900 at the latest, and probably more like 1800. The democratic era has corrupted everything, law being no exception.

    One way to see internal security in a Patchwork realm is as a compromise between two sorts of Orwellianism. In the sense that the realm is (effectively) omniscient and omnipotent, it would fit most peoples’ definition of “Orwellian.”

    Residents of a Patchwork realm have no security or privacy against the realm.

    All residents, even temporary visitors, carry an ID card with RFID response. All are genotyped and iris-scanned. Public places and transportation systems track everyone. Security cameras are ubiquitous. Every car knows where it is and who is sitting in it, and tells the authorities both. Residents cannot use this data to snoop into each others’ lives, but Friscorp can use it to monitor society at an almost arbitrarily detailed level.

    There is one problem, though, which is … the problem of adults who are not productive members of society. In our little Newspeak we call them wards of the realm.

    As Delegate of San Francisco, what should you do with these people? I think the answer is clear: alternative energy. Since wards are liabilities, there is no business case for retaining them in their present, ambulatory form. Therefore, the most profitable disposition for this dubious form of capital is to convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.

    Okay, just kidding. This is the sort of naive Randian thinking which appeals instantly to a geek like me, but of course has nothing to do with real life. The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass.

    However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide.

    The best humane alternative to genocide I can think of is not to liquidate the wards—either metaphorically or literally—but to virtualize them. A virtualized human is in permanent solitary confinement, waxed like a bee larva into a cell which is sealed except for emergencies. This would drive him insane, except that the cell contains an immersive virtual-reality interface which allows him to experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.6

    The virtual worlds of today are already exciting enough to distract many away from their real lives. They will only get better. Nor is productive employment precluded in this scenario—for example, wards can perform manual labor through telepresence. As members of society, however, they might as well not exist. And because cells are sealed and need no guards, virtualization should be much cheaper than present-day imprisonment.

    Many other regions of the earth, however, contain large numbers of human beings whose existence may well prove an unequivocal liability to the owners of any ground on which they would reside. If so, they can be virtualized, creating giant human Wachowski honeycombs of former bezonians, whose shantytowns can be cleared and redeveloped as villas for retired oil-company executives.

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      Teehee just kidding about my proposal to turn humans into petroleum… unless?

      What an unfortunate collection of words to read on a Friday like today

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      These dumb motherfuckers really think they are above it all and invincible. My only consolation is that I know they view having to “share” their existence with all us plebs as a literal and continual hell. May they all rot and fester in it.

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      Unbelievable that anyone printed this in either online or offline form of text. A humane alternative to genocide, cause no one would really like the biodiesel solution.

      Good to see that democracy actually seems to be the foe for these people. Let’s try and keep it that way…

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      From Meriam-Webster’s entry on the word

      Did the definition of n----r change?

      There is a widespread belief that the original meaning of n----r, as defined in dictionaries, was “an ignorant person,” and a related belief that current dictionary definitions describing its use as a hateful, racist epithet are a recent change. We do not know the source of those beliefs, but they are not accurate. The word was first included in a Merriam-Webster dictionary in 1864, at which time it was defined as a synonym of Negro, with a note indicating that it was used “in derision or depreciation.” There has never been a definition like “an ignorant person” for this word in any subsequent dictionary published by this company. Nor do we know of such a definition in any earlier dictionary.

      There’s been an attempt among white racists over the years to try and redeem the hard-r N-word. They’ll say that it originally meant just an ignorant or foolish person in general, not only black people specifically. But this is a historical fiction. It’s always been used as a slur against black people. It was originally a complete synonym for “negro.” If you asked Yarvin, and he didn’t just admit outright to being a flaming racist, he would likely justify it by making a claim like this. He would claim that he’s saying these billionaires are just corrupt and foolish. He would say that it’s OK to use the word, as he’s not referring to black people, just ignorant and lazy people in general. He would say he’s using the non-racist definition of the n-word. But again, this is a historical fiction.

      Sometimes racists will cite words like “niggardly”, meaning cheap or stingy, as an example of how the n-word could be used in ways not applying just to black people. Niggardly is a word that sounds like the n-word but actually does have a non-racist history. They’ll try to link niggardly to the hard-r n-word. But what they ignore is that the word niggardly has a completely different etymological root. Niggardly shares roots with words like niggling, tracing back to the 13th century nig, meaning simply a stingy person. The n-word however, as Meriam-Webster notes, derives directly from the Spanish negro.. Racists will connect the n-word to words like niggardly, niggling, etc., citing their real history as non-racist words, and say that the n-word can also be used non-offensively because of this. But there is no common etymological root between the hard-r n-word and similar sounding words that do actually have a non-racist history.

      Of course, it’s all ultimately a moot point. In polite society today, most people understandably avoid using any word that remotely sounds like the n-word. See controversies around the word niggardly. And really, there’s little reason to use words like niggardly, even if one could argue that they’re technically not racist. They just sound way too similar, and there’s plenty of other perfectly valid words to use in their place. And ultimately, someone could just as easily be hurt or offended by words that sound similar to the n-word even if they’re technically not directly related. The words are best avoided, as they just end up hurting people for no good reason, even if some etymologist might argue they’re not directly related.

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      It’s the kind of thing where you have to join the KKK and uncritically accept everything you’re told for 20 years and then maybe you’ll be able to fathom it. They will of course mistake that for complex philosophy rather than a steaming pile of horse shit.

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    This dude sucks so much. And everything I’ve ever read about him makes him seem like the most annoying kind in philosophy class who thinks he’s smart but is a dumbass. And also very racist.

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      Probably throwing back his long hair with a head movement, while challenging the prof with what he thinks is an unassailable argument. Mistaking the stunned silence that follows for a win.

      🤢🤮