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Still hate that we think we don’t work enough. There’s so much automation anymore, why are we always pressured to feel like we’re behind?
Give me 4 - 8s brother, I’m tired.
Fuck 4-8s
I want 2-4s
I just want the choice. You work 2-4s, they work 4-8s, I want to work 5-5s.
I want to work 5-5s
Ia that 0 hour shifts, 12 hour shifts, or 24 hour shifts? 🤔
I think they meant five 5-hour shifts per week.
I wonder if instead of retirement age we could just do the gradual reduction of hours. I know I’m at the 5-6s age, but feel like I’m on the cusp of 4-6s. The thing is, my knowledge is more valuable than my labor anymore.
Just today my company tried to move forward on a 200k decision — everyone on board. I came in at 10am. I took an hour to really think through the problem they were trying to solve and came up with a different course of action. I brought it to my boss, forcing them to think about it in a different way. By about 3pm, it had made its way through the C Suite and the original deal was cancelled. They will still spend 200k, but now it will be on the right solution, and they won’t spend another 300k fixing their mistake. I left at 3pm.
I don’t need to be there 40 hours/week to get my job done.
I don’t think we can maintain our standard of living and cut down that much. I think 32 hours is definitely doable, and a huge QoL improvement.
Robots literally stacking boxes in warehouses. Everything is possible already, except getting humans to actually want good for others. We want to build an eternal hell on Earth, devoid of any mercy.
There are a lot of people to bring up from much worse shape.
It’s possible we could get down to 24-27 hours a week while maintaining our current standard of living and bringing those people up. Some day.
I don’t think 16 hours is reasonable. And I think 32 is a more reasonable short/medium term goal.
We absolutely have an obscene amount of wealth the spread, but it spreads really fast. Walmart made 15.5 billion in profit last year. They have 1.6 million employees in the US. If you take 100% of those profits and divide, that comes out to $9500 per employee. Average Walmart employee makes about $36,000 per year. So after some very rough napkin math, the average employee generates an additional 25% of their salary as profit. If you reduce their productivity by 50%, they’re no longer profitable. If they’re not longer profitable, they’re no longer sustaining themselves at the current rate even if the owners take no profits.
We do have a lot of room to make things better. But we still need people to work. We still need people to deal with ~80% of the crap they deal with now. But that 20% still makes a difference, and we should be working towards that instead of away from it.
why are we always pressured to feel like we’re behind
One reason is because of old Christian morale. You’re born in sin and have to work and obey to repent for that sin, idle hands are the devil’s workshop, that kind of stuff. Of course this kind of mentality got co-opted by industrial society to the point that work forms somebody’s entire status in society and obligation to the nation. Industry then does what it does best and mercilessly exploits this.
A second reason is because the entire monetary system and economy is built on growth. There always needs to be more goods, more services, more consumption. And if the population isn’t growing enough, then the people have to be made to buy more.
What brings us to advertisements, pushing to spend more, to compare yourself with the neighbors, always evaluating the status you’re projecting.
Hands that burn down churches are not idle at all.
The problem is consumables. This photo appears to be an oil worker.
The US burns something on the order of 20 million barrels of oil a day(!)
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6
Up from 19 million not too long ago. 100 million in a work week. 5.2 billion a year.
Someone needs to be out there producing it. Yeah, it would be great if we could wean ourselves off of it, but then we’d still need people producing and managing whatever replaces it.
Bicycles. Very little oil required.
Oil is used in a lot more than just transportation.
I do not want 14 hour shifts starting at 4. 9 - 5s are bad enough.
It could be easy, but people make it hard by supporting the status quo.
We will never get change as long as enough people are comfortable and don’t want to risk losing anything.
It could be easy, but people make it hard by
supportingenforcing the status quoFixed it for you. Shaming the gaslighted masses won’t stop the ones with the actual power from oppressing and otherwise abusing the rest of society.
It’s not like any of the people in charge ever got a majority of a 100% participation vote. They’ve been systematically standing in the way of majority rule for centuries and pretending that everyone knows that for a fact and likes it just keeps us squabbling between ourselves while the root causes for most of the world’s biggest problems only worsen.
The masses are the only ones who can be shamed into acting, not the oppressors. The issue stems from them not executing their power.
The rich and powerful are supported by the status quo, and they’ll resist any attempt to change it. Because they’re rich and powerful, if they think it’s necessary they’ll resist that change with violence.
That’s why things only tend to change when people are really, really “uncomfortable”. If you’re comfortable, then the injury and death you risk by attempting to change things isn’t worth it. If people are already dying from starvation or disease, then it becomes worth it to risk death by challenging the status quo.
Nothing will change until people are hungry.
Be the change you want to see in the world, embrace minimalism, don’t buy shit you don’t need, let the capitalists cry that their sales have slumped and if you want, work less hours and adjust your living standards, that’s what you can do.
Also vote for people who will bring more equality into society and tax the rich to better distribute wealth.
But the endless crying about working less hours online is the exact weapon the right wing cunts will use to call you lazy and entitled, because that’s how it comes off, bread doesn’t just appear in the grocery store.
But maybe I am just too European for this as I don’t work 60-80 hours like some americans and I get more than 2 months worth of paid time off and I have paid sick leave.
P.s. fuck fast fashion, they are destroying the planet
Problem with voting for the people that support this on a national scale is you’d have to get past the ingrained mindset people in America have of a third party never winning. O can guarantee you no Democrat will have support this and even if the someone wanted to pull a Bernie and just run as a Dem, but actually be a small bit more left than the corporate Dems, they’d fail hard cause the DNC doesn’t want to actually do anything.
you’d have to get past the ingrained mindset people in America have of a third party never winning
It’s not just a mindset, Game Theory shows that when you have First Past The Post voting and a 2-party duopoly, a third party just siphons votes from the establishment party that is closest to their platform. That results in the other major party effectively gaining votes.
Getting rid of FPTP would fix this. But, FPTP is what guarantees a D or an R will win. The only way to change the voting system is to have the lawmakers change it, but the lawmakers are the Ds and Rs that FPTP guarantees will win. So, they’d have to vote for a system that will cause them to lose elections.
There may be individual lawmakers who are honest and would want a better electoral system. But, they’d have to go up against their entire party apparatus which exists to block anything that is bad for the party.
According to modern finance guys, they slaved their whole lives, multiple generations did, to ensure maximal shareholder value.
We could have been anything. We chose to be complete douchebags.
There’s a “simple living” subreddit which is largely about finding your own personal way to grab this “easy life” even if the whole world isn’t doing so. The fact is that a person CAN live a life our previous generations would consider very nice, at a low cost. It would just look like poverty by 2025 standards. The main trick is to ignore all the new shit that has been invented since that generation was around, and cease caring what anyone else thinks of your home, clothes, whatever. Stop buying fast fashion and get real durable clothes from thrift stores. Grow as much food at home as you can - it’s a lot more than you think. Find work you can walk or bike to even if it pays less. Read books from the library for entertainment or get involved in community theater. Stop thinking you need to fly somewhere in a plane twice a year or you aren’t having any fun. And just check out of all the other bullshit. No one is forcing you to play the latest AAA games on an ultra wide monitor, buy endless shit on Amazon, DoorDash takeout food, doomscroll on a maxi-phone… And most people are far too attached to the area they happen to have lived in for a while. If you’re willing to do some research and move you can find a pocket to live the simple life in.
Compared to previous generations, most of the luxuries you are describing are a much lower percentage of our overall expenses, while 3 big things: housing, healthcare, and education have outpaced wages dramatically and are a MUCH larger percentage of our expenses compared to previous generations. Yes, you can save a lot of money by being thrifty, but home cost, healthcare, and education are hard if downright impossible for many people to mitigate.
All that being said yes, you could live a much simpler life, but I think the issue is people seeing an expected standing of living that many western countries used to have, slipping away while a very small percentage of people at the top are consolidating phenomenal wealth. So saying to them “hey it’s your fault for not lowering your expectations” comes off as well, ridiculous.
I hope I’m not triggering anti-capitalists here because I know how implacable they can be. Pointing out how you can make your own life a little bit better is, in my mind, not at odds with all the very valid complaints about 2025 American capitalism.
Many of the folks in r/simpleliving are wealthy enough to afford whatever they need, but that doesn’t automatically make your life simple and leisurely either. You actually have to go after simplicity intentionally no matter what.
So… we move to fantasy land where jobs exist that pay enough for a small home with a small yard?
They worked hard and broke their backs to create this world but we’ve failed to work hard and break our backs to retain control of it.
