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So, the typical centrist/liberal, then?
Maybe from the other direction, too. A lot of people who think anything short of smashing shit up is unproductive. Which isn’t correct, either.
Violent and non-violent methods go together. Peaceful protest needs to be more sustained than the bursts of activity we’ve had. But jumping right into smashing shit won’t work, either.
A lot of the people I know who want to jump straight into smashing shit have neither the desire or ability to help rebuild anything. They want the social media attention of being a smasher but would quickly sell out all of their positions if they had to do the silent work in the background to improve things.
Yup
The typical leftist sitting on their ass and whining online while they wait for a Glorious Revolution to usher in a golden age. If you want things to be better, you do what you can with what you have.
Bullshit. You take what you’re owed.
“The typical liberal sitting on their ass and waiting for ‘the next election’ to usher in Bush-era America (AT BEST).”
They don’t make excuses for power, though.
Oooh, no. You see the same thing from conservatives and especially conspiracy theory people. It’s fundamental to their worldview.
“They” somehow have complete and total control over their lives. “They” make them make bad decisions, eat poorly, drink and drive, make them vote for dickbags - you name it. It’s an emotional crutch used to negate accepting responsibility for actions, the need for critical thought and planning, or one’s own agency as a human to do anything to change their situation.
Back around 2010 when my family would say “They” were going to take their guns away or put them in FEMA camps, I asked who “They” were. Did this for a few years and it eventually stopped being a Boogey man because it forces putting a name to the evil, which most folks like that can’t do.
Wait, librul bad?? Try not to drown in the meaningless upvotes
This is what ppl do when I suggest linux
When steam os finally drops for regular PCs I think that could become more mainstream. Most people are afraid of breaking their system by installing something else.
IMHO [Fedora Kinoite] (https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/) is this for people who don’t want a gaming-focused OS.
The “there is no perfect solution so therefore there is no solution good enough” crowd. Usually a republican mantra when it comes to any social program.
Also when there needs to be a choice made and they rabidly choose the obviously bad one: “It’s a just a pick your poison thing, ya know?”
If I were to pick between two poisons I would certainly not choose the one labeled “100% for sure death” that was surrounded by an aura of death and decay but they just can’t stop themselves slurping that shit down like it’s juice.
Well on one side dismissing obvious ways to make something better is not very bright. On the other side the “obvious way to make something better” could itself not be very bright either.
I am very wary of explanations of the world which emphasize “the people who disagree with this are evil” or “the people who disagree with this are stupid”. If only people weren’t deliberately trying to do harm or remain ignorant, they would of course agree with the speaker. This leaves no room for different (but reasonable) priorities, different tolerances for risk, different trusted authorities, etc. Plus, when evil and stupid do exist, they always think that their opponents are actually the evil, stupid ones. So an individual ought to remain humble: if he’s sure that he’s on the side of God fighting a clear battle against evil, that itself is evidence that he isn’t.
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Antivoters slowly dying, somehow voting never works except when gestures about
If I had a nickel for every time people on lemmy discredited voting 3rd party or progressive candidates under the excuse of “muh RCV” or “vote blue no matter who”, I’d have enough money to bribe the DNC into splitting into multiple parties.
If you actually want to make things better then you have to use methods that have a chance of actually working. We have overwhelming historical evidence showing that voting third-party doesn’t.
It can work, but the most important part in making it work is building the movement so that everyone votes for the third party in the same election. There’s no point in just voting third party and complaining that no one else is doing it.
That would take a monumental amount of effort. Much more than it would take to un-fuck one of the existing parties.
I don’t think it’s a question of amount of effort. Both undertakings would be monumental. It’s more so a question of what skillsets you have and what you’re more capable of doing.
In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.
In Canada, we had a third party
nearly come into powercatapult a far-right government into power for nearly a decade a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.Oh, FFS. You aren’t happy with being wrong about politics in just one country, are you?
Are you sure about that? We’ve been trying to unfuck the Democrats for decades, and look what it’s gotten us.
It’s gotten more than voting third party has.
Yeah, more bombing of children. More Genocide. More torture prisons. More facism. More stealing from the working-class to give to the rich. More deportations.
Are we winning yet?
We also have overwhelming historical evidence that voting for the current batch of Democrats doesn’t work.
So you see no difference between 2021-2024 and what’s going on right now?
Of course I see a difference. I see the systems that the Democrats and Republicans built coming to fruition. I see the trends that the Democrats ignored increased. I see the societal problems from then tuned up a few notches, because the Democrats were too busy bombing kids, backing a genocide, and bailing out their rich friends to fix.
It really hasn’t been tried.
Except for Perot, Nader, Stein, etc, etc, etc. You’re right! If you ignore all the times it’s been tried, then it’s never been tried!
You said that “voting third party doesn’t work”. The vast majority of voters do not vote for alternative parties or candidates, so no, it hasn’t been tried.
Did you mean to say “Running third party doesn’t work”?
No, Pakistan does not have RCV. Hell they don’t even have a qualified election system with the amount of falsified ballots, yet the third party still defeated that system.
It’s so insane. They’ll yell about the genocide all day but then vote for the candidates supporting the genocide.
Who do they hate the most? Jill Stein, the candidate who opposes the genocide! Make it make sense.
Not only that, they’ll yell at the people who voted for anti-genocide candidates. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told that I voted for genocide, by vorting for an anti-genocide candidate.
Yeup, same here. They’re just trying to use the genocide now to guilt-trip voters who didn’t support Harris. Because her genocide would’ve been better, I guess??
She had an entire year to put her foot down and say, “This is fucked!” and the best thing she could say was “We gotta make a deal.” No details, no idea what kind of a deal. Oh, and lots of excuses for Israel.
the anti-vegan.
AKA: a critic.
BoTh sIdEs SaMe!!1!
