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The best time to mount a resistance is years ago. The second best time is today.
No one is coming to save you, my friends. Strength, as always, lies in community building.
Also better written: “my friends: Strengthen yourselves together, you can achieve miracles when you bond.”
Has the sheep made any plans for this resistance? Have they made any preparations for it? Formed any organizations? No? They just expected all the other sheep to suddenly form themselves into an army, do all the work themselves, and then praise the guy who said “we should mount a resistance” as a great visionary hero?
The second sheep is right. That isn’t the time to say “we should mount a resistance”. It’s the time to actually resist using whatever means you have available. Of course, that would take actual effort and sacrifice, so they’ll just march to the slaughter wondering why the revolution never came.
The dude forgot to draw “Democrats” on collars.
No, redundancy doesn’t make it funnier.
I’ve gotten flack from supposed anarchists, or fascists really.
I believe you mean sheeple. It’s funny how “freedom” is written on everything, in every politician’s speeches, and uttered in media at least once per segment. And yet these same people who wrote and speak about it would never lift a finger to uphold the freedom of others, and break down and cry, exclusively, when their freedom is taken away for just being themselves.
And yet these same people who wrote and speak about it would never lift a finger to uphold the freedom of others, and break down and cry, exclusively, when their freedom is taken away for just being themselves.
I enjoyed OPs comic, but from that linked exchange OP is telling people to buy weapons and body armor to fight the government but then says they wouldn’t participate in this because they’re in Japan and would potentially be detained by ICE if they came here. They’re engaging in exactly what I quoted from your comment, which is why they’re getting flack. They’re deriding people for not throwing themselves into a meat grinder all the while safely sitting 6,000 miles away in comfort.
It’s exactly the opposite, stickly@ has given up on saving his own family and friends, when I asked them to insurrect. They are absolutely welcome to surrender. I have not.
I challenged them 🧵 to even dismantle tourist deportations, and downvoted my motion. I can face fascism to the barrel, but not by myself.
Are you?I’m genuinely trying not to be mean, but this is some of the most cartoonish “tough guy” language I’ve seen in a long time.
You’re literally just sitting at your home 6,000 miles away anonymously goading others into amassing weapons and armor to fight one of the largest super powers in the world, talking about how you’re “willing to stare down the barrel of a gun,” while whining about downvotes on a website and saying that you can’t participate because you might get temporarily detained at the airport.
Can I not have sympathy for Americans getting sent to deathcamps simply because I do not want them dead? How is it cartoonish to have sympathy at destroying fascism whenever it crops up, when it affects me too? You think I don’t have fascists raining down my neck because my imperialists never left?
I want everyone to live free. Be able to choose who they want to engage with, who to befriend, who to communicate, etc… Since we know your current despot will not help us, I choose to help folks that I can. And those are you.
It is a challenge of priorities. I don’t care about votes. Do you care to see your friends and family get abducted? That is the crux.
I don’t. So I’m fighting to keep my loved ones safe. I am revolting. Are you?
Can I not have sympathy for Americans getting sent to deathcamps simply because I do not want them dead?
Can you not tell us to kill each over your idiotic uninformed exaggerations?
when I asked them to insurrect
Do it yourself then. You’re not doing jack shit and everyone knows it.
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Let’s not dehumanize stupidity. It’s a serious mal-evolution we have to fight against constantly, esp. in a up-downvote network.
Rage against the machine mentioned something similar.
“What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy”
*Oligarchs
lmao this is dark… And a very good comparison of the world as it is now.
Reality is worse: 90% of sheep bred for meat are lambs slaughtered at less than 2 years old. Mutton (adult sheep) is cheaper and less preferred.
With how industry has changed chickens… I am always surprised they haven’t managed to modify sheep so that the adults are as desired as the young.
Why should they? Adults are more expensive to raise per kg of meat.
I assumed the adults were a lot bigger.
Not a lot. Growth slows down fast when an animal gets older.
So they are slaughtered at between 6 and 12 months, because that’s the time where the growth slows down too much.
No point in having a 30% heavier animal if it takes 2x as long to get to that point.
Totally, I didn’t realize they grew so fast. And in my head a lamb is like a baby. Guess not really.
Yeah, it’s like with the human term “child”. A child is anything from birth until age 12 or so. There’s quite a bit of a difference in that age range.
For sheep, a lamb is anything up to roughly a year.
In fact, sheep enter puberty at ~3-4 months, so a lamb will usually be slaughtered during puberty.
what’s so bad about any of that?
You have one specific meat industry largely organized around killing baby animals.
why should baby animals matter more than any other? one that’s had longer to live and develop relationships surely is worse to be led to slaughter than one with hardly any understanding of the world and their place in it.
Then the sheep mounts a resistance by doing the best it can (killing the farmer or shouting very loudly), see that whatever it has done hasn’t changed anything and that nobody is joining or paying attention to it, and then it’s an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.
Mounting a resistance is much harder than “just doing something”
and then it’s an express ticket to meatpacking plant or worse.
Where the sheep was going anyways in the first place. If we go out, why not make the best of it?
Because if you take this as a metaphor, there’s always a worse place to go.
Giving up before trying is the best way to help the enemy
It’s better to not even try. Sounds very American.
I grew up playing baseball. I’d rather go down swinging.
I used to think that a good death would be in my sleep, in my old age. Now I think of that as a waste. I’ve come to the conclusion that my end will have a twist ending, and I intend to make the best of it.
It’s more of a critique of the “just do something” culture. Killing one farmer will just result in that farmer getting replaced with an identical cog in the machine, it also won’t magically inspire all the sheep to kill their oppressors as seen historically with humans - that kind of thing is only found within books.
Pretty much the only kind of effective action if the goal is to change things rather than merely feel good in the moment is organization, but it is a slow, tedious and dangerous process - it’s not something that can be achieved immediately or individually.
Have you tried the French Method
French method is how we got in the situation we are in, it literally led us from the rule of aristocrats to rule of capitalists
If Americans aren’t even willing to protest, truly protest, they’ve already lost their country to the first tinpot dictator that came along. It’s horrifying seeing someone downvote a post like yours that urges them to defend themselves.
America is lost and it’s because of Americans.
Putting them in a dumpster isn’t enough
Yeah I don’t think they were talking about keyboard warriors that would never actually do anything.
If keyboard warriors aren’t effective, then why are they among the first people that dictators go after?
If keyboard warriors aren’t effective, why do MAGAs put so much effort into the Conservative Propaganda Machine?
They are ineffective. Dictators tend to suppress all dissident speech, not keyboard warriors specifically. Also, they can’t go after anyone not in their country. Obviously, the internet gives people that ability.
Most of the keyboard warriors I’ve seen are non-American. Trying to egg us on into indiscriminate violence.
Even if the keyboard warrior won’t actually do something, that doesn’t excuse you from doing the same.
I’m not the one calling for indiscriminate violence. Sheer stupidity playing directly into Trump’s hands.
Who’s calling for indiscriminate violence? I’m all for carefully targeted violence. Let’s make it count.
If not now, then when?
later
Tomorrow
How many people are upvoting this while still eating meat and not realising they are the fascists in the non-human animal’s world?
Believe it or not, fascism in the human world is generally considered to be more concerning by most people. I sure do wonder why.
So you agree that this is in fact fascism but you don’t care because the victims are lesser than you? Gee, I wonder where I heard that before.
Im fine with being against factory farming cause that shit is fucked and causes exreme suffering.
But I am an animal like any other and I eat meat. Like many other animals. We evolved as omnivores. We evolved to eat meat as well as plants. I do not feel guilty eating meat. It would be like judging a lion for eating a gazelle. Thats nature. Thats life.
I dont buy into this idea that we are somehow above it all. We are part of the food cycle.
I dont buy into this idea that we are somehow above it all.
You do in fact buy into that idea and I can show you with a single example: Do you consider consent important for procreation?
Also, Omnivore tells you what you can eat, not what you have to.
Do you consider consent important for procreation?
I mean, you really should also consider consent when you’re doing it just for fun.
But in this case it doesn’t matter since you can’t get pigs pregnant anyway.
Le epic funny reddit comment
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Thats a terrible analogy and you know it. Arguing in bad faith aint gonna get you anywhere.
It’s not an analogy, it’s an example that shows you being “above it all”. Just saying “nature tho” is pretty lazy and I think you know that.
Other animals are lesser than humans. This is why people think self driving cars who have to crash into either a human or an pet should crash into the latter.
Or a cyclist, obviously.
What is true about those other animals that, if it were true about a human, would also make you consider the human to be lesser?
What makes other animals comparable to humans? If you had to choose between a human and a pet dying, which would it be? Could you go up to a holocaust survivor and with a straight face tell them that their suffering is equally bad to a domesticated cow?
Yeah I figured that you couldn’t answer my question. Maybe think on that.
ntt is a fallacious line of argument. it falls prey to the spectrum fallacy.
Could you go up to a holocaust survivor and with a straight face tell them that their suffering is equally bad to a domesticated cow?
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severity is not the only axis of comparison
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I choose to stay alive over giving my life to my neighbour, not because they are an inherently lesser being, but because I value my own life over another.
Not eating a burger will literally kill me
You rn.
It won’t kill me though?
I am a specists, and I believe equal rights and dignity extend to all humans. And farm animals are not humans.
Now, obviously morality shifts as the society evolves so I am open to reconsider my position. Maybe the day we let farm animals vote will be the day I become vegan.
Damn g chill out, vegans be out there in Hollywood pestering studios to use ethically killed worms in their films while real people are getting glassed. Maybe create an hierarchy of empathy before treating a chicken equal to a human’s life
Now is not the time.
While OP’s comment was a bit unpromtped, the irony is glorious.
“Maybe create a hierarchy of empathy” is certainly a take
You sure you thought this through?
Do you surf the Internet to see the exact same takes you have or to see some new perspectives?
Hail Sheepler!
May his glorious wool forevermore cover our eyes
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Do animals know what fascists are?
No, but we do.
Is my farm cat a fascist in the mice world? I’ve been concerned for a while now.
Does your cat build death factories like this one? Then maybe.
Blacks, women and LGBT folks have been the largest gun buying demographic for several years. You suburban white boys didn’t get the memo?
It’s a commitment for sure, NOT to be taken lightly. You do you.
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Yes. And the second best time is now.
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and with such vast power and influence… name the victories the US has had verses an insurgency on their own turf?
and that’s considering untouchable industrial military complex, logistics pipeline, more numerous, better trained, and armed forces, unlimited money, and no real push back from the american populous.
if one appeared within the US… it would be absolutely devastating to the military
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since the 1770’s i know of two wars the US has won against an insurgency.
the US has been in a LOT of wars though. and one of the things they learned was that bombs were not very effective, and the us would have a much worse time off it bombing their own cities. A-wall’s and desertions would go through the roof, they would be out gunned a thousand to one, with literally more guns then people. Isfulstructure they would rely on is vulnerable from every angle, the government would be prisoners in their own bunkers.
it would be devestating if the us has an insurgency
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For all of your sakes, I hope you’re right, but what is happening right now is literally every single right is being stripped away. Even the right to vote is in a thin line. Is it worth fighting if you’re no longer allowed to vote? If not, the american people are as spineless as I always thought they were.
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But rolling over is not an option. The military isn’t going to kill all the workers. The workers are more important than any other group. If the workers strike, the rich suffer.
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When the resistance in territories occupied by nazi germany and imperial japan killed a high ranking official of the occupying force, the occupiers would round up innocent people and shoot to kill them on the streets. “Reprisals” is what it’s called. But do you think the resistance should’ve given up? Surrender to nazi germany and imperial japan just to avoid the “reprisals”? No, because if they had done that, the whole world would be speaking german and japanese.
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Yeah guys! It’s very important that we learn nothing from history and that we ignore the signs of fascism rearing its head once more. /s
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Obviously. What do you think happens to the workers once they’re enslaved? The workers need to unite NOW, if they’re ever gonna have a chance to pull the rich and powerfull down into the mud.
But what is your solution to the current issue then?
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So just don’t do anything, and hope your slaveowner will be nice? Got it. He won’t, and a lot of people will die because you don’t give enough of a shit.
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Voter turnout is always highest for presidential elections, and the last two have had the highest in decades. Yet that is still in the low 60’s. Any ideas for how to increase turnout?
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If you did have a time machine, how would you get everyone to vote?
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You know how you could change it? By convincing the DNC they will 100% lose on the platform and actions that made them lose. Nothing else, going back and trying to tell millions of people that ICE will send people to concentration camps and deprive them of due process and give Israel unlimited logistical and diplomatic support as they commit a genocide, and they will say “…like theyre doing now?”
trade stock tips? with the time machine you could even go to an earlier time to exploit knowledge of economic trends, and then make multiple trips to the day before the election… every time you run out of time, just go back 24h again.
America didn’t win in Afghanistan, and you think it would win a war if the military was forced to turn their guns on friends and family?
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commanders don’t really matter if the soldiers revolt
The soldiers are people who looked at this and said “sign me up”.
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Disagree. There’s too many Americans to carpet the whole 🇺🇲. Trump doesn’t want a pyrrhic victory.
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Weapons are for the weak.
But… they don’t have enough missles to kill even 1% of the population (no source) Unless you include nukes… So they don’t really matter if the resistance is large enough.
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I did say unless you include nukes.
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Two non nukes per city would be barely a scratch. Maybe a few thousand people per city if you hit the most densly populated spot.
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Everything I see talks about it being nuclear. So no source on what it can do with a non nuclear payload. But I feel confident it is less than MOAB. And that can’t kill to many.
Thats like salting then bleaching the plants in your garden because butterflies disturb you. You can do it to show how powerful you are but you’re really doing more damage to yourself.
I highly reccomend the book ‘Blessed is the Flame’ for a more in-depth take on this mindset, and how it breaks. It’s a short read, but quite incredible.
Thyme
With some garlic and olive oil.
Forgot where I read because it’s been years ago, but someone said that humans should be blessed being born human and not as sheep, as sheep can be led anywhere without question including for slaughter.
Cool, we’ll wait for you to do something instead of being edgy on the internet.
Damn! I thought the OP ignited a flame and you’d join the fray. I’m the same as you I guess, being flippant to the folk who are concerned but helpless. Let’s all wait!
