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This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You’ll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.
I only ever really saw the clsssic toxic gamer behavior flourish once most games switched from having private dedicated servers ran by the players that almost always had an admin present to handle toxicity to unmoderated developer hosted servers no players have any bit of control over. Counter-Strike: Source vs CS:GO/CS2 is quite a leap in the general attitude of players you would encounter.
Wild how removing people who managed the player’s behavior makes the bad behavior intensify.
Confirmed. Counterstrike specifically was very inclusive and very open to most players of all ages, demographics, and skill ranges especially compared to other shooters of the 00’s. Then matchmaking and eventually premier got introduced and any chance of moderating the community died and here we are today.
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I suspect the environment is different depending on the game. I never witnessed any of that in overwatch back when I used to play for instance. Though I pretty much never play multiplayer games without at least one friend so the numbers are skewed a bit by having at least 2 non-weirdos on the team
Alternatively, you had two guaranteed weirdos.
I agree that most competitive games tend to go that way. My ex and I played a lot of League of Legends in a small friend group together (where this did not happen, thank god), and if playing with “externals” it was unbelievable what bullshit she had to deal with. and although most of the time the creeps bit off more than they could chew, it must have felt pretty bad, regardless of what me and our friends did or said.
Anyone with experience in non-competitive game settings to share?
I don’t doubt this but now I’m really curious about the numbers. Is it the same on PC? How do women’s experience compare to other genders in similar surveys?
Competitive gaming is a cesspool regardless of gender but I feel for women who have to deal with sexism on top of the default toxicity. Hopefully things will improve over time but i don’t have high hope for the near future sadly
This study has nothing to do with that. It only surveyed mobile gaming.
oh dang, women have been telling you for the past like 40 years that video games are an incredibly exclusionary space and turns out they weren’t just lying??? crazy, it’s almost like we should be listening to people when they have problems in a community. i mean jfc people actually needed a study to prove this? ask any woman who’s ever attempted to speak in game chat what happens, just ask.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros.
Oh wow, I didn’t knew that Super Mario or Tetris on the NES was an “incredibly exclusionary space” because that’s not how I remember it.
I’m glad you taught me that.
Being a girl trying to talk about video games with boys was generally horrible, it’s not just the multiplayer experience, the ‘you like games, then name every X ever!’ followed by bullying has been alive and well for over 30 years.
So, to participate in modern gaming, women should play games from 40 years ago?
Well you win the most asinine comment I’ve read today.
Even I remember girls getting crapped on in the arcades.
oh yeah i’m sure your half rotten memory is a reliable source, thanks grandpappy
gotta love that you not only completely missed the point, but you quite perfectly encapsulate the kind of “gotcha” rhetoric that women hear every day in gaming spaces from these toxic men.
it’d be funny if it weren’t depressing.
“Researchers surveyed 1,000 women of all ages across the UK who play mobile games.”
Shows a picture of a woman holding what appears to be a PS4 controller.
Poifect.
I think it’s a black PS5 controller. No light.
Trackpad looked wrong is why I went PS4, but yeah you’re probably right.
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She should be holding a mobile phone. because that is what mobile gaming mostly looks like.
i use a controller for when I play my mobile games. did you know you can use controllers with bluetooth now?
you’re not limited to just touch screens like the first days of android apps.
we have come a long way since then. good luck!
edit: here for those interested.
i mean of course youre going to have a conclusion like that polling exclusively mobile game players. For example had they polled female MMO players (there are a lot), the results would likely be far different.
Eh, I’m one of those MMO ‘females’. I have to be really cautious when I first join a guild. I’m often seen as a ‘female’ first and gamer second. The amount of times I’ve gotten OnlyFans comments is way too high. I’ve had the best luck in multiplayer FPS games. The downfall of Bungie hits me hard because Destiny in particular was a great place to be a woman gamer. Can you do the mechanic and communicate? That’s all a good team wants.
Absolutely, in a guild with a female GM and we’ve collected a fair number of female gamers because of it. But we still end up kicking folks occasionally because they lose their shit when they hear a female on discord.
In other news: the sky generally appears blue.
Gotta have data to do anything with it. Important to actually be able to show and prove problems exist before trying to deal with them. (Need more data on causes)
Given where this is coming from, im waiting for the drop where they blame the tranas community for this. Somehow.
Many men are emotionally unable to accept things like this. I think the reasoning goes like
- i’m a good person
- i like my hobby
- someone is saying bad things about my hobby
- this makes me feel bad, so it must be false
- furthermore, the person bringing it up is attacking me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance
Facts don’t matter. There’s really nothing you can do if you’re not someone they like.
I also think about this comic a lot: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1151.html - Some people are too cowardly to grow.
I also think it may be just… sexism… I know people who behave like this towards women, but not other men…
I’ve been playing a certain well known game for over a decade now. I’ve developed such skill at never specifying anything that could out my gender I could put it on a resume.
It’s actually quite fun. Oh the stuff men talk about when they don’t know there’s a lass in their raid group lolol
Now that I’m “old”, it ain’t about guilt, shame, or exclusion, it’s about how fun this facade is. Y’all neeeever know. So keep talking.
My first thought was why would anyone know. Granted I pretty much assume no one in the game is female. I know some are but I think my assumption will apply a large majority of the time. I mean I know my wife was on the game.
“ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓” - lemmy users
“women avoid me 🤓” - same lemmy users
“ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓”
Yeah, that is pretty much true. Or at least you should consider the difference between the types of gaming cultures.
Mobile games: There are several studies out about mobile games and the tactics used to keep you playing. This is a very significant difference, as many are pay to win or as a vehicle for ads, so they are designed to keep you playing rather than an end goal. They are convenient and easy to pick up and often used to “kill time”.
Studies have shown a correlation between frustration, loneliness, unsocial behaviours in both sexes for mobile games. In the article they said the women felt guilt and shame, but mobile gaming studies show they are not alone. Although many studies suggest that women play more of these types of games then men, which skews the results.
So I think it is a valid to question the title that uses the phrase “gaming culture” when there is very little “culture” in psychologically driven revenue generators.
Like this comment on hacker news: “…boatload of psychological exploitation tricks that we used to keep people playing (and paying). The game mechanics were literally a rigged slot machine. The meta-game was designed to constantly tantalize you with something just out of reach.”
Just like gambling addiction, a constant dopamine machine will make people feel guilty, irritable, and depressed.
cool opinion, can you run it through one more time and ask for bullet points so I don’t have to read it?
Implying I used AI? I did not. You should know that, the grammar is not very good and I rambled a bit.
The only thing I did do was use duckduckgo to get the quote right if it wasnt as I remembered it.
So do you have anything to say or did you just want to whine about AI?
I couldn’t believe that someone would reply to my stupid comment with that many words so I didn’t read it.
You saw something about women and video games that you could not tolerate, so you constructed a chain of “logic” that:
- gatekept gaming and gaming culture
- tried to remove gender from the equation
- shifted the blame away from something you like (gaming culture)
- shifted the blame onto something you don’t like (mobile games)
- displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming
You’re so smart to realize that this is a simple phenomenon with a neat, tidy, and convenient explanation that doesn’t offend any gamers who don’t like women.
Typical Reddit playbook. I wish your comment was AI.
You didn’t read it. A couple of sentences. Wow. I wrote it for a reason.
Then you made up a bunch of things to claim I was doing, for who knows why.
So, ok you don’t read, you have some weird agenda to have a gotcha moment, you completely dont get why there is a huge difference in the psychology of mobile games then other games, and have no intellectual interest in understanding any of this.
Like you said it was a stupid comment, I guess. I was only hoping to address why that article could have had a lot more to say, and ended up missing the mark.
displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming
Ok enlighten me. I asked a couple of women to read what you wrote, and they find it funny, and disapointing. “what the fuck is he going on about”!
cool story bro
this research is about you
I don’t think you know what research means.
You are aggressively trying to project.
Yeah that’s definitely not going to be exclusive to mobile games, but I always feel like mobile games are generally more isolating to begin with.
Who play mobile games
So not proper gaming like on console or PC?
It’s not a culture. Don’t play online.
Can you elaborate?
UK who play mobile games
So not gaming culture.
Shame and exclusion on display. Why do you want to put people down?
lol, wut?
Do you really need that explained to you? The article is about exclusion and shame in the gaming community and you responded in an exclusionary and shameful way.
Excluding and shaming who? Nobody.
I am not convinced that MOBILE GAMING is a culture. Gaming culture typically is not mobile gaming. Or at least it would not be where I would look to have this discussion, and in fact seems to avoid the real issue: online gaming in the popular spaces: xbox, ps2, and PC.
