It’s not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than “not Trump”. When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.
My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.
It is silly to think we can’t learn lessons on how Mamdani won because he hasn’t exercised the office yet. This isn’t about how you did that right thing and voted against fascism that one time. This is about winning power, and if that is too idealist for you then I don’t know what else to say other than I’ll see you on the campaign trail.
When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up.
I’d like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there’s more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.
Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly “offer an alternative like Mamdani”. They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only “offered” thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.
I don’t see how it downplays at all how good a candidate he was, if anything it shows how good he must have been to overcome his own party’s elite trying to stop him. My point is that they might have stopped him, if it weren’t for the people who turned out in the primary. Just think what quality candidates we could get if people would support them in the primaries, instead of waiting until the general and seeing who other people chose in the primary and then being disappointed. My point is we need to turn out for the primaries. When potential candidates see voters supporting progressive candidates more will decide to run because they’ll know they have a chance.
And in general they continue to bitch regardless even if they get what they want. They’ll turn on their own politicians in an instant and dislike it even when they get what they were asking for- ie. Hochul or whomever to endorse.
Just shows how dumb Americans really are. And comparing a presidential election to a material one. And the most votes cast is also BS they’re going by numbers and I assume in 2025 the population is higher then in 1989. But 34% voter turnout is good for a municipal election but not the barn burner your describing. And still a lot of people not voting.
And the progressives seem to only care to vote when Trump is in power. The second election after Trump they won’t show up again as they don’t care.
It’s not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than “not Trump”. When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.
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What will the Democratic leadership learn from Mamdani’s win?
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As long as we’re paying attention to those who can imagine a different future, then we’re at the same table.
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My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.
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It is silly to think we can’t learn lessons on how Mamdani won because he hasn’t exercised the office yet. This isn’t about how you did that right thing and voted against fascism that one time. This is about winning power, and if that is too idealist for you then I don’t know what else to say other than I’ll see you on the campaign trail.
They’ve only taken away “charismatic” candidate
Eventually the rest of the world will build a wall around US.
I’d like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there’s more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.
Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly “offer an alternative like Mamdani”. They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only “offered” thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.
I think that downplays how good of a candidate Mamdani was and how differently he ran his campaign. It also blinds us to new lessons.
I don’t see how it downplays at all how good a candidate he was, if anything it shows how good he must have been to overcome his own party’s elite trying to stop him. My point is that they might have stopped him, if it weren’t for the people who turned out in the primary. Just think what quality candidates we could get if people would support them in the primaries, instead of waiting until the general and seeing who other people chose in the primary and then being disappointed. My point is we need to turn out for the primaries. When potential candidates see voters supporting progressive candidates more will decide to run because they’ll know they have a chance.
And that is the real problem progressive voters are not reliable as a block. So nobody caters to them.
And in general they continue to bitch regardless even if they get what they want. They’ll turn on their own politicians in an instant and dislike it even when they get what they were asking for- ie. Hochul or whomever to endorse.
You’re telling me people have to get off their ass and not just bitch online? Cmon now… /s
Just shows how dumb Americans really are. And comparing a presidential election to a material one. And the most votes cast is also BS they’re going by numbers and I assume in 2025 the population is higher then in 1989. But 34% voter turnout is good for a municipal election but not the barn burner your describing. And still a lot of people not voting. And the progressives seem to only care to vote when Trump is in power. The second election after Trump they won’t show up again as they don’t care.