The corporate liberals are gutting taxes on private jets, yachts and unused housing while Mark Carney is telling struggling canadians to make sacrifices.
Yeah, that we are already benefiting enormously economically from our early investments in AI, it would be dumb not to continue, especially at a time when the US is scaring away many top international researchers.
It’s absolutely horrible. How disconnected are these fucking people???
I told everyone on here that voting in Mark Carney was going to be a big mistake. I was right. Yet, there are still people on here saying “give him a chance, he’s the best option we have”. No. actually. He’s not, and I see what happens when we “give him a chance”?? He fucks average Canadians over for the benefit of the rich.
They’re stuck in this 80’s Reagan-Thatcher-Mulroney era of neo-liberalism trickle down bullshit and they can’t see outside that fucking box.
Singh was completely cooked since the 2021 election, running him again and with such poor messaging was entirely the NDP’s fault. It was not fear-mongering.
Singh’s numbers had been publicly decreasing for years, he lost seats in past elections, and the NDP decided to run a ton of single issue candidates run whose whole platform was Palestine.
Meanwhile the party quietly did have a decent pro middle class platform, but didn’t really message that and got too caught up on how tax cuts also affect the rich (up to a very small amount of their income).
I’m sorry but there was only one choice this election. I would have loved a real NDP choice, they chose not to.
Maybe canada should stop preaching about human right values if they still support the longest standing occupation in the world. NPD platform was not about palestine only. Outside of the debate npd never talked about Palestine in the compaign
The NDP isn’t just Singh. There’s a whole team behind him. And at least his heart’s at the right place.
Again, a minority conservative government with a strong NDP would’ve been better than an entirely conservative government like the one we have right now. (Fiscally conservative + morally conservative)
What was the alternative? I would have loved to vote NDP, and usually do in local elections, but they stood no chance. I wasn’t so much voting for Carney as against Poilievre.
Withhold your volunteering and donating to the liberals since they already get so much money from the rich consistently. They will always put their interests before everyday canadians.
Strategically vote if you have to and redirect your efforts to the independents, fairvote and smaller parties.
Even a minority conservative government with a strong NDP would have been better than a minority neo-liberal (read fiscal conservative) and conservative (read morally conservative) government with no one to stop them.
The liberals are so conservative under Carney that conservatives are jumping to his party ffs.
Even a minority conservative government with a strong NDP
Surely you jest… not only your “better” alternative is entirely hypothetical, and impossible for the electorate to target… but giving power to the maple magas would be suicide and never ever conductive to compromise of any kind
Just look south and you can see the playbook the cons here would apply (they have adopted it all). PP would starve the most vulnerable Canadians to force a vote on making it illegal to say the word “trans”
Carney is a heartless bastard and we do need to fight this budget but to pretend flirting with maple maga is a better alternative is laughable
I mean what choice did we have? we didn’t. It was either a conservative in a liberal furry suit, A wanna-be apple munching trump, or a guy that has never had an original thought pass through his head.
We were fucked. we realized we were fucked. And we decided the fake liberal was the way to go. Canadian politics are so fucked our choices are conservative, ultra conservative, or a weak wannabe democrat party.
As someone who promotes fairvote.ca and how broken FPTP is, you’re aware that FPTP promotes a two-party system. In Canada, the only two players on the national level are the liberals and conservatives. And a lot of people voted liberal because they really didn’t want conservative. The liberals didn’t have to do anything to get this result - the system is behaving as designed.
And a lot of people voted liberal because they reallydidn’t want conservative. The liberals didn’t have to do anything to get this result
I mean a lot of people voted conservative as well, If I’m not mistaken the Liberals were on the brink of losing the election until the orange melon down south started spouting his mouth a month or two prior to the election.
Unfortunately they weren’t an option though. NDP members even encouraged NDP voters to vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives. The NDP should have been an option, but they weren’t. The NDP were only an “option” this election in the same way the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada or the Animal Protection Party were options; they exist.
I have hopes (probably unrealistic) that the NDP comes back swinging HARD, screaming about social services, programs, and taxes on the wealthy, and not shutting up leading up to 2029. I hope Mamdani in NY can prove in his first 3 months leading up to when the NDP has their leadership vote that if social programs can work in the US, we can significantly increase those structures here.
The NDP can be relevent again for the next election (I hope), but they just weren’t for this last one.
Still not an excuse. They were on the ballot, and all we’re doing is kicking the can down the road. The race was way too tight already, next election is going to be rough and the only people we’ll have to defend us are the fucking Liberals.
Vote for the party platform that most closely aligns with your values or don’t show up at all. A vote cast against yourself weakens your representation and strengthens those who don’t give a shit about you after they’ve ripped off your vote.
There were polls suggesting a Conservative super majority. For many NDP voters the risk was just too great. There was a time not long before the election that had the Libs polling so low, and the Cons polling so high even if the NDP kept their seats the Cons would still win majority.
I agree we should vote for the platform we most closely align with, but that said, this election was not a normal one. The US had just broken trade deals and started a trade war while talking annexation. For many, our sovereignty was at stake, and the NDP had no chance of saving us from that.
That’s the same lame excuse every single election. I remember in 2019 when the only ads I ever saw from the Liberals were about how we had to unite against the Conservatives and I remember last week when the same shit was going on in the Montréal municipal elections. It happens all the time and the excuse isn’t worth dirt.
I’m sick and fucking tired of it. If you can’t use your vote responsibly don’t cast it. I would like people to use their power to vote and we know that anyone who says they’re “strategically” voting is well aware of the poison they’re putting in the system and that they know whonthey would otherwise vote for. If they actually deserved to use the word “strategy” they’d know that some things take time and letting another party steal your vote is just reactionary panic and has nothing to do with anything intelligent.
Your vote is your only real voice. If you aren’t going to say what you mean and mean what you say then shut the hell up.
I understand where you’re coming from but this election did not use the same excuse, or I guess it did but this was the only time it’s really been valid. We were just threatened with annexation by our former ally, the most powerful country on the planet. We’ve never had an election with this much at stake, and voting NDP was literally risking losing our country to the US.
The wolves were quite literally at the gate. We could vote to open it (cons), keep it closed (libs), or work on getting rid of the wolves (ndp). NDP is clearly the best choice in this scenario, but you know full well they’d never get enough support to win, and if too many of us tried, the Cons would win and open the gate.
We need an election where Canadians take a BIG swing for chance to get out of the abusive 2 party cycle we’re in. This was not that election. I’m not arguing that Canadians are completely screwing ourselves every election, we absolutely are. What I am saying though, is given the circumstance voting Lib in the last election was the smart play. The smart play doesn’t always mean good.
Unfortunately, the NDP just weren’t an option this time. If I can’t pay my rent I have options. 1 - get a job/pick up hours at the job I have/get a second job. 2 - Sell things I own to get enough money. 3 - become rich. Although 3 is technically an option in that it is a possibility, the fact that it ain’t gonna happen right now removes it as one. Although all 3 could be possible, for rent this month only 1 and 2 are really options.
Yea, says who? It’s not a probability thing and our voting system might suck but if they get more votes then they win and that’s the end of it. Vote for whoever aligns with your values or don’t show up and definitely keep your mouth shut when the center-right government that stole your vote starts doing exactly what any dumbass could have predicted they’d do.
Think about it. Singh gets elected as prime minster, even with a NDP minority. Imagine the meltdown Trump would have over this. I think this would have forced Canada to make deals with other nations and quickly closed our relationship with the fascist regime down south. We also wouldn’t have had sent weapons, vehicles and parts to Israel because he was a defender of the Palestinian cause and against the genocide. This would have rocked the political world for the best in my opinion.
I’d love the dream too, but it just wasn’t there this time. I’m curious how things would have gone if fascism hadn’t taken root, but it did, and it changed the game for this election.
This is f-tier social media rage bait. Her reasoning boils down to ‘generational investments’ involve tax breaks to businesses, therefore generational investments are the devil.
This is literally the most garbage way to inform yourself about the budget. Go read the Guardian, or CBC, or any actual journalism. Here’s a hint: it will talk specifically about what the money is being spent on and what is being cut, it won’t just be some ranting into a camera to get clicks.
She is a journalist. She used to work for the CBC as I said. Not only was she a parliamentary press gallery reporter, but she was also a fact checker for the CBC. She was fired because of pressure from conservative groups who didn’t like to be called out for their lies. Mainly Polievre’s conservatives.
She knows what she’s talking about and found a format that could better reach today’s audience.
Maybe you’re pissed because what she said doesn’t fit your narrative? Or you don’t think women can be journalists?
No, what she said was vacuous and a broad sweeping generalization that you can learn nothing from.
The literal most basic economic comparison is that of opportunity cost, and she did not even touch on what Carney is spending the money on beyond that it must be bad because some of it is our required NATO defense spending, and some of it involves tax breaks to businesses.
Again, this is vacuous rage bait. There is a reason that serious financial and technical reports are written down and not just yammered at people, so that you can properly see and compare everything at once, using actual numbers and specifics.
I kept reading on here how Carney was such a smart choice, because of his work with the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. Not like that job scream “fucking over the poor” or anything… /s
The corporate liberals are gutting taxes on private jets, yachts and unused housing while Mark Carney is telling struggling canadians to make sacrifices.
It’s a very conservative-ish budget. The liberals are now the conservatives, and the conservatives are now the anti-christ.
oh and don’t forget they also want to give $1billion to AI development over the next 5 years.
Yeah, that we are already benefiting enormously economically from our early investments in AI, it would be dumb not to continue, especially at a time when the US is scaring away many top international researchers.
It’s absolutely horrible. How disconnected are these fucking people???
I told everyone on here that voting in Mark Carney was going to be a big mistake. I was right. Yet, there are still people on here saying “give him a chance, he’s the best option we have”. No. actually. He’s not, and I see what happens when we “give him a chance”?? He fucks average Canadians over for the benefit of the rich.
They’re stuck in this 80’s Reagan-Thatcher-Mulroney era of neo-liberalism trickle down bullshit and they can’t see outside that fucking box.
Okay, and Pollievre would be better?
Singh was completely cooked since the 2021 election, running him again and with such poor messaging was entirely the NDP’s fault. It was not fear-mongering.
Singh’s numbers had been publicly decreasing for years, he lost seats in past elections, and the NDP decided to run a ton of single issue candidates run whose whole platform was Palestine.
Meanwhile the party quietly did have a decent pro middle class platform, but didn’t really message that and got too caught up on how tax cuts also affect the rich (up to a very small amount of their income).
I’m sorry but there was only one choice this election. I would have loved a real NDP choice, they chose not to.
Maybe canada should stop preaching about human right values if they still support the longest standing occupation in the world. NPD platform was not about palestine only. Outside of the debate npd never talked about Palestine in the compaign
The NDP isn’t just Singh. There’s a whole team behind him. And at least his heart’s at the right place.
Again, a minority conservative government with a strong NDP would’ve been better than an entirely conservative government like the one we have right now. (Fiscally conservative + morally conservative)
What was the alternative? I would have loved to vote NDP, and usually do in local elections, but they stood no chance. I wasn’t so much voting for Carney as against Poilievre.
Withhold your volunteering and donating to the liberals since they already get so much money from the rich consistently. They will always put their interests before everyday canadians.
Strategically vote if you have to and redirect your efforts to the independents, fairvote and smaller parties.
Who says I donate and volunteer??? I have never done that for any political party.
I think that is the point. The establishment can force a person in when the other is straight up evil.
Even a minority conservative government with a strong NDP would have been better than a minority neo-liberal (read fiscal conservative) and conservative (read morally conservative) government with no one to stop them.
The liberals are so conservative under Carney that conservatives are jumping to his party ffs.
Surely you jest… not only your “better” alternative is entirely hypothetical, and impossible for the electorate to target… but giving power to the maple magas would be suicide and never ever conductive to compromise of any kind
Just look south and you can see the playbook the cons here would apply (they have adopted it all). PP would starve the most vulnerable Canadians to force a vote on making it illegal to say the word “trans”
Carney is a heartless bastard and we do need to fight this budget but to pretend flirting with maple maga is a better alternative is laughable
I think we’re misunderstanding each other here.
Voting for the Conservatives was going to be an even bigger mistake.
No idea why you think the Liberals were the worst of the two options available.
We’re not a two-party system, champ.
Corruption and polarization thrives under two-party systems.
There’s more than two options. This isn’t the U.S.
There wasn’t, and everyone knew it. That’s why the NDP got fucked, people strategic voted to keep the Cons out.
I mean what choice did we have? we didn’t. It was either a conservative in a liberal furry suit, A wanna-be apple munching trump, or a guy that has never had an original thought pass through his head.
We were fucked. we realized we were fucked. And we decided the fake liberal was the way to go. Canadian politics are so fucked our choices are conservative, ultra conservative, or a weak wannabe democrat party.
There’s a third, even fourth option. A strong NDP in a minority government would’ve gone a long way.
The liberals have fearmongered people well!
As someone who promotes fairvote.ca and how broken FPTP is, you’re aware that FPTP promotes a two-party system. In Canada, the only two players on the national level are the liberals and conservatives. And a lot of people voted liberal because they really didn’t want conservative. The liberals didn’t have to do anything to get this result - the system is behaving as designed.
I mean a lot of people voted conservative as well, If I’m not mistaken the Liberals were on the brink of losing the election until the orange melon down south started spouting his mouth a month or two prior to the election.
What was the better option?
The NDP were right there.
Unfortunately they weren’t an option though. NDP members even encouraged NDP voters to vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives. The NDP should have been an option, but they weren’t. The NDP were only an “option” this election in the same way the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada or the Animal Protection Party were options; they exist.
I have hopes (probably unrealistic) that the NDP comes back swinging HARD, screaming about social services, programs, and taxes on the wealthy, and not shutting up leading up to 2029. I hope Mamdani in NY can prove in his first 3 months leading up to when the NDP has their leadership vote that if social programs can work in the US, we can significantly increase those structures here.
The NDP can be relevent again for the next election (I hope), but they just weren’t for this last one.
Still not an excuse. They were on the ballot, and all we’re doing is kicking the can down the road. The race was way too tight already, next election is going to be rough and the only people we’ll have to defend us are the fucking Liberals.
Vote for the party platform that most closely aligns with your values or don’t show up at all. A vote cast against yourself weakens your representation and strengthens those who don’t give a shit about you after they’ve ripped off your vote.
There were polls suggesting a Conservative super majority. For many NDP voters the risk was just too great. There was a time not long before the election that had the Libs polling so low, and the Cons polling so high even if the NDP kept their seats the Cons would still win majority.
I agree we should vote for the platform we most closely align with, but that said, this election was not a normal one. The US had just broken trade deals and started a trade war while talking annexation. For many, our sovereignty was at stake, and the NDP had no chance of saving us from that.
That’s the same lame excuse every single election. I remember in 2019 when the only ads I ever saw from the Liberals were about how we had to unite against the Conservatives and I remember last week when the same shit was going on in the Montréal municipal elections. It happens all the time and the excuse isn’t worth dirt.
I’m sick and fucking tired of it. If you can’t use your vote responsibly don’t cast it. I would like people to use their power to vote and we know that anyone who says they’re “strategically” voting is well aware of the poison they’re putting in the system and that they know whonthey would otherwise vote for. If they actually deserved to use the word “strategy” they’d know that some things take time and letting another party steal your vote is just reactionary panic and has nothing to do with anything intelligent.
Your vote is your only real voice. If you aren’t going to say what you mean and mean what you say then shut the hell up.
I understand where you’re coming from but this election did not use the same excuse, or I guess it did but this was the only time it’s really been valid. We were just threatened with annexation by our former ally, the most powerful country on the planet. We’ve never had an election with this much at stake, and voting NDP was literally risking losing our country to the US.
The wolves were quite literally at the gate. We could vote to open it (cons), keep it closed (libs), or work on getting rid of the wolves (ndp). NDP is clearly the best choice in this scenario, but you know full well they’d never get enough support to win, and if too many of us tried, the Cons would win and open the gate.
We need an election where Canadians take a BIG swing for chance to get out of the abusive 2 party cycle we’re in. This was not that election. I’m not arguing that Canadians are completely screwing ourselves every election, we absolutely are. What I am saying though, is given the circumstance voting Lib in the last election was the smart play. The smart play doesn’t always mean good.
Unfortunately, the NDP just weren’t an option this time. If I can’t pay my rent I have options. 1 - get a job/pick up hours at the job I have/get a second job. 2 - Sell things I own to get enough money. 3 - become rich. Although 3 is technically an option in that it is a possibility, the fact that it ain’t gonna happen right now removes it as one. Although all 3 could be possible, for rent this month only 1 and 2 are really options.
They stood no realistic chance of getting in.
Yea, says who? It’s not a probability thing and our voting system might suck but if they get more votes then they win and that’s the end of it. Vote for whoever aligns with your values or don’t show up and definitely keep your mouth shut when the center-right government that stole your vote starts doing exactly what any dumbass could have predicted they’d do.
I voted for them in a historically ndp riding. Now have a liberal representative who lives half an hour away
The NDP. Even under Jagmeet we would’ve had a better deal than this shit consevative sandwich that we have right now.
Better? Yes. An option? Unfortunately no, not this election.
Think about it. Singh gets elected as prime minster, even with a NDP minority. Imagine the meltdown Trump would have over this. I think this would have forced Canada to make deals with other nations and quickly closed our relationship with the fascist regime down south. We also wouldn’t have had sent weapons, vehicles and parts to Israel because he was a defender of the Palestinian cause and against the genocide. This would have rocked the political world for the best in my opinion.
I’d love the dream too, but it just wasn’t there this time. I’m curious how things would have gone if fascism hadn’t taken root, but it did, and it changed the game for this election.
Lmao it’s not fucking horrible, you just used the outrage machine and found people outraged by it. Congratulations, social media is toxic.
Read coverage of it from actual informed people, not dumbass YouTubers.
She’s an actual journalist who used to work for the CBC. She’s not just some Youtuber.
Lmao. That is not actual journalism.
This is f-tier social media rage bait. Her reasoning boils down to ‘generational investments’ involve tax breaks to businesses, therefore generational investments are the devil.
This is literally the most garbage way to inform yourself about the budget. Go read the Guardian, or CBC, or any actual journalism. Here’s a hint: it will talk specifically about what the money is being spent on and what is being cut, it won’t just be some ranting into a camera to get clicks.
How about you take a chill pill.
She is a journalist. She used to work for the CBC as I said. Not only was she a parliamentary press gallery reporter, but she was also a fact checker for the CBC. She was fired because of pressure from conservative groups who didn’t like to be called out for their lies. Mainly Polievre’s conservatives.
She knows what she’s talking about and found a format that could better reach today’s audience.
Maybe you’re pissed because what she said doesn’t fit your narrative? Or you don’t think women can be journalists?
No, what she said was vacuous and a broad sweeping generalization that you can learn nothing from.
The literal most basic economic comparison is that of opportunity cost, and she did not even touch on what Carney is spending the money on beyond that it must be bad because some of it is our required NATO defense spending, and some of it involves tax breaks to businesses.
Again, this is vacuous rage bait. There is a reason that serious financial and technical reports are written down and not just yammered at people, so that you can properly see and compare everything at once, using actual numbers and specifics.
I kept reading on here how Carney was such a smart choice, because of his work with the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. Not like that job scream “fucking over the poor” or anything… /s
This is reactionary bullshit just to get angry because you’re online.