Someone edit that into a joint please
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Don’t you think it is weird to use AI when the post is asking specially them to grab a pencil? I honestly would like someone’s MS Paint drawing with a mouse than your AI slop.
irony…
the image itself is AI, doing a random edit request like this is exactly the scenario where llm art makes sense…there’s nothing creative about fulfilling some random internet strangers request to replace a pencil with a joint, there’s no expectation of payment, there’s no real skill/growth involved either unless the artist is incredibly inexperienced
usage of gemini misses the whole point, it’s also not a joint
No, im pretty sure its making fun of this memes point by demonstrating one of the many reasons its out of touch and a poor argument to anyone really.
If I were on my computer I’d do that immediately. Perhaps I’ll remember later
an famous artist I knew gave me some advice
just draw what your mind’s eye sees. You can make it happen exactly as you see it in your mind if you focus on that mental image and stay true to putting it on the medium. If it doesn’t happen at first, it just means you need to practice. It will happen if you stay true to yourself and what you see in your head.
This has real “draw the rest of the owl” vibes.
The “mind’s eye” (if ygu’ve got such a thing) doesn’t really work that way. You usually don’t have a fully formed image in your mind.
Your brain will leave out stuff without noticing that something is missing. Also: you can’t really get proper proportions from your “mind’s eye”. Also: what you’re imagining usually also shifts a bunch.
IMO, much better advice from an art teacher who once told me that this is their response to when people say that they can’t even draw a straight line: “Don’t you have a ruler?”
Start with just drawing basic shapes. Then think about how you’d turn things you see in the world into those simple shapes. Practice doing just that. Spend a day just drawing curves the way your favorite artist does. Look at how they use color or texture in a drawing that you like.
Talent is simply an applied interest in something. Learning the how and why something works and then building the muscle memory to do it yourself.
And for one more trick that blew my mind when somebody first told me: a ruler works just as well on a tablet or screen as it does on a piece of paper.
Each person’s mind’s eye is different. Some people can keep a fully formed image in their mind for hours. Other for minutes and some people can’t form an image at all.
People are weird and run the full gamut of abilities.
Yea, it does. It’s wobbly but it’s there.
interesting, I have aphantasia, and drawing/creating is how I can see things from my imagination.
Yup. I close my eyes and I see absolutely nothing.
To be honest, that might be the hardest thing to draw. Lemme take my pencil and magically make the paper disappear!
I can still draw, just not copy pasting from my mind
Did this work for you? I’m earning my living as an illustrator and designer and for me it’s part of the process that what I envision and what ends up on the (digital) paper is never the same. And that is ok, sometimes I feel it was better “in my head” but almost always whatever ends up in reality takes over / erases what I thought I wanted to do. Which is ok as well.
I also think if you never drawn before you could for sure just draw stuff in your head but it might be a good idea to at some point (or even start with) doing classic “learn to draw stuff” like doing online or in person courses, copying others (DO NOT PUBLISH THESE ANYWHERE) etc, to learn about perspective, colour, anatomy etc. But then I’ve drawn since I was a child and have no idea what the best way to learn drawing would be (I’m also sure this is different for different people).
Do you feel comfortable sharing your work ? I love that there’s illustrators on Lemmy. That’s more or less what I do too, although lately I’ve been working on a 3D short film, so hardly any drawing work. Here is my artstation page https://www.artstation.com/hadrien_brissaud
it helped me a lot but it’s not a perfect science
I can’t even make my handwriting look like it does in my head.
I dont have that my mind flickers, I did the apple test a lot with strangers and friends in college, results varied greatly, some ppl can hold a image, some ppl cant even make an image, in my case anything I visualize in purpose flickers, when I zone out its solid
Basically imagine an apple on a table, the apple falls off
what color wass the apple what did it do after it fell just ask for any sort of description
some ppl see nothing at all, like no visual
for some the apple doesnt hit the ground for some it doesnt bounce, for some it rolls, etc.
for some its red
for some its the concept and no color I dont get that one
I know this is word vomit felt I had to explain the apple thing, I saw it on reddit once and just started asking everyone for years because it was fun to heae the differences
Well, that’s just a lie. Learning to draw is one of the hardest fucking things.
It takes years just to get good enough to learn the very basics, much longer to become good enough to draw anything like that Superman.
Fuck AI, but let’s not bullshit. Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you’ll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books.
what you refer to as comics books is one style. I assume you mean DC/marvel…
try not focusing on the end goal, but the steps to get there instead
I could start doing cyanide and happiness art within a week or two with no prior art skills.
one of the hardest things is just trying and putting in effort to get better at something you’re interested in. giving up before you even try is the real failure. telling yourself it’s not worth the effort is just denying yourself the payoff. set aside any amount of time you want at whatever interval you can manage (30 minutes a day, an hour a week, whatever) and you will only get better over time.
don’t sell yourself short. if you want to do this, you can and the best time to start is now.
It takes years to get good at anything worth being good at. That’s just life.
If you want to be good at something you’ll find the time. Especially if you like doing that thing.
Getting to the level of a top-tier pro is hard, sure, but getting decent enough to derive satisfaction from the activity and make images people can enjoy isn’t really all that hard if it’s something you’re actually interested in.
“Unless you have hours and hours to give for years, you’ll never be able to draw anything like you see in comic books.” And there it is.
AI has its place in art, but it’s limited.
I’m a professional underwater photographer, and AI upsacling and noise removal are excellent tools for me because they serve as technological solutions to technological problems. I put a lot of effort into planning, framing, lighting, etc, but noise and balancing resolution and exposure (higher pixel density on a sensor results in less light reaching each pixel) can have a huge impact that’s unrelated to the art itself.
When the best solution aside from AI-powered retouching is to spend another 40 grand on better equipment, the AI isn’t taking away from me as an artist. It’s giving me the ability to improve my art more affordably.
That’s cool, but it sounds more like a useful tool for your work. If we’re talking about artistic merit, upscaling and noise reduction isn’t getting you there.
Clients expect a clean, high-res image because they’re paying for it, but no one has ever been a great photographer just because they had a lot of megapixels.
Exactly. Generative AI tools have their place in an artistic workflow. The difficulty is deciding where that line is, and I’m not sure it’s something I’m qualified to judge.
I had a friend reach out a few years ago when her mother died asking me to retouch an old photo of her mom for the portrait at the funeral. It was a great picture of the deceased on a work trip to Japan, but she was wearing a big ugly lanyard and nametag, and hlthe color balance was really bad because of some lighting issues on site.
I spent a few hours retouching it and it came out really nice. It was something I was happy to do for a friend, but if it had been for a client I would have charged a few hundred bucks. Realistically, if my friend didn’t glhave someone to do it for free, she wouldn’t have been able to justify it.
Now, with generative fill and a few other tweaks, anybody could have achieved good enough results in just a few minutes. For someone trying to have a good picture of their Mom for their funeral, I’m 100% okay with that and don’t feel artistically threatened by it. Is it doing something thay took years of work for me to learn to do? Yes. But the same thing could have been said about Photoshop in general versus the days of lightroom editing. Just a few years ago “serious” photography studios wouldn’t touch digital anything, but adopting the CF card over the roll of film happened, and we’re mostly fine with it now.
Tools change over time and make art and science more accessible, and that’s mostly okay.
And it’s not just art. I started my career in remote sensing (my actual degree is in Geography) using light tables, rulers, and razor blades to edit and analyze aerial photographs. Photogrammetry involved taking hand measurements with an engineer’s scale of overlapping aerial photographs on 9"x9" film taken from aircraft at known altitudes and applying differential parallax calculations to determine structure height at one point, and now I can perform that math on hundreds of thousands of points simultaneously. I can do in 10 minutes what would have taken years to do manually. But the result wasn’t the destruction of my field, but the expansion of it, because most people simply wouldn’t use detailed aerial analysis. Now that we have cheap drones, cameras, and 3d mapping software, analysis that would have cost millions a few years ago costs thousands, so they’re justifiable and now there’s actual demand for the skills.
Do new geospatial analysts have it easier than I did? Yes. Is it annoying that many of my skills I worked hard on are outmoded? A bit. But that doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t have access to new tools.
And that’s whuly the AI art conversation is difficult for me. There’s plenty of examples of soulless AI slop, but where do we draw the line between useful tool for augmenting human effort and slop?
TIL about photogrammetry! Also, you’re right. My field is the same. Feeling threatened by technology is just fear of a redundant skill set and fear of the effort of adapting. As it says, “you’re much more talented than you think”, and those talents prepare you well for new horizons, there’s no need to lash out, out of fear.
“AI” is a shit term. there are many different models and types of AI, the AI used to fold proteins are vastly different to GPT… and calling them all “AI” is a marketing stunt to lump the useful models with useless LLMs or diffusion models.
AI tools are useful and amazing, but “Generative AI” are just useless slop machines
Even gen AI has its place in my workflow. Gor instance, if there’s a random bit of floating debris that catches the strobe on my camera and fucks up a portion of the image with the backscatter, generative fill tools vastly simplify the process of removing it. Yeah, I can do the old fashioned cloning and brushing path in many cases, but gen fill takes seconds and doesn’t take away from my photos.
yes but that’s a specific tool for a specific job. AI is useless if it generates everything
Exactly. There’s a time and place for it. The difficulty comes in drawing where the line is.
Not that difficult, that’s why Superman is handing you a pencil, so you can draw that line yourself.
It was most likely trained on stolen data to do that. You’re ok with using it having that be a very real possibility?
Edit: nevermind this comment.
Different types of AI. What you say is true for LLMs and other generative AI but noise reduction and up scaling algorithms are of a different class and don’t rely on stolen training data to function.
Ah I see. I misunderstood. Thanks for the info.
I read that as professional underwear photographer at first.
Lol the upset people itt are EXACTLY who Superman is talking to
What’s even better is that Superboy Prime knows he’s in a comic book and would 100% be encouraging people to draw.
Sorry are you guys doing a thing? I’m just looking at Clark’s bulge.
why did he name his bulge pizza?
It’s a subliminal message to make you want to swallow it
silly superman. I don’t need subliminal messages for that
it’s for the pepperoni
When Batman got almost busted for giving Superman a blowjob, he said “Oh no, you’re misunderstanding me, I was just eating pizza!”, while all embarassed.
I’m more fixated on the belt buckle that says “Pizza”
Feel like they toned it down for this
Thought he was handing you a blunt at first glance
The issue isn’t with curious individuals using AI recreationally (not my cup of tea though). The real problem is that corporations and enterprises use it to cut corners; i.e. big multinationals using AI for their ad campaigns; media outlets using AI illustrations instead of real footage; news and reports written completely with AI, and so forth. In short, (generative) AI is being used by capitalists to cut on labour costs when real humans could’ve done a better job.
Who is this for really? Like people who are here, presumably hate AI, and to the person the meme targets, this is obviously just condescending while simultaneously minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
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Circle Jerk
A circle drawn around jerk chicken, is that it?
minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
Idk I read it as a sarcastic way of telling someone to draw and see how bad they’re without AI
How is that an argument though? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say using one tool made them good at using others.
NGL in the thumbnail I thought the pencil was a joint lol
I agree with the message though: learn to draw, even if you suck at it you made it. It’s your creation. And there’s value there, you put the effort in, you brought the idea into this world. It’s your little imperfect bundle of joy to show the world.
A picture can say a thousand words, make it and let it speak.
I’d rather have imperfect personal creations than perfect slop
I mean, we could also link in the w3schools tutorials for html, CSS, and JavaScript.
It might take a lot of time investment, but we could all learn to make a website without using a generator. Trouble is, none of us have enough time to do everything we want to.
(Site was built using https://carrd.co/build, people in glass houses)
That’s silly, and comes off as nitpicky and bitter. Did you build the home you’re living in? It’s a ridiculous line of reasoning and comes off as petty, jealous even.
I did not, but nothing could stop me learning how to.
In essence, the idea of “start drawing today” is a great one - however it’s a time investment folks are not willing to make. Same as building a home, same as the years of effort it takes to learn artistic skills.
I’m not a fan of AI putting folks out of work (AI tutor companies are absolute scum), but I also disagree with folks saying “just learn to draw”.
Don’t half ass this absurdity rabbit hole you started. Go all in.
install your own water tank, haul your own waste, dispose of your own garbage and supply your own drinking water, better get rid of that washer dryer too. And get rid of that dishwasher. Better throw some wood working tutorials and build your own car, phone, chairs, stairs, table. Take a medical tutorial and diagnose your own cancer.
None of this is plaigerized just for convenience.
This is art. there is no good enough reason to plaigerize.
I mean, take a look at your logic there. You’re right, it is absurd.
Given it’s the same notion extended the original point was also absurd.
Thanks for the support.
Get lost troll.
A website generator built by a human still gave a human the chance to make some choices, feel useful, validate it worked right, possibly even an income.
Nice try but I’m still not into guys /s
This is literally true. Sure, your memory might tell you that you suck at drawing, but that’s what it is about. A lot of it mental. You might not be able to draw something perfectly and if you draw a face, oh boy will it look like shit, but can you draw a stick? Can you draw an apple? How well can you draw an apple? How can you improve on that? Artists sure as hell didn’t start out the way they are now. They have histories on their art, look at their progression. And be sure to know that they had to work up the courage to share their art and didn’t do so after years.
You’re a human. You developed to do this kind of stuff. You had to learn to write, so you did. If you like writing you even learned to do it well. If some random ass guy can learn to draw with their foot, then you can learn to draw with one of the most precise evolutions of the animal kingdom.
I feel this is like when synthesizers started threatening musicians back in the '60s with the Moog and then samplers and drum machines in the '80s. Or something.
Nope, There are ai music generators and they suck as Well.
Um, (whispers) that’s what I meant when I said “like”.
We already had something “like” that when digital art came by, at the same time as synthesizers by the way.
Intriguing, even AI can’t parse that.
