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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

Propaganda is a powerful thing, it is unfortunate so many believe the empire's.

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Propaganda is a powerful thing, it is unfortunate so many believe the empire's.

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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago
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  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    70 years is oddly convenient choice.

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      Ok how about this

      Have they been invaded since their permanent borders were established in 1953?

      • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        Again, very convenient: only an invasions are to be considered. Thank you for making my point.

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          Ah sorry I thought we were talking about invasions since the image is about Ukraine receiving support because they were invaded

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            Weird that all the people in the places they are fighting are Russian speaking Ukrainians that mostly moved into Russia during this war after being violently repressed by the Ukrainian government when they voted to join Russia and were denied

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              Hey, quick question, were those votes held before or after Russian troops were occupying those regions?

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                They were held in 2014. The Russian invasion came after 10 years of violent suppression of the Russian majority of Donbas. To be clear I think Russia, Ukraine, EU and US are all awful villains in the world. But the US in particular is funding both sides of this war through client states in the EU when they overthrew the Ukranian government in 2014 and clandestinely through their proxies in Russia. The end goal is the Iraqification of Ukraine and theft of their resources.

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                  And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?

                  You can justify almost anything if you reach back in history far enough. It’s our responsibility to break the cycle and it’s pretty easy to stop believing the framing of a dictator who only wants to justify his territorial ambitions (and who has made noticeable overtures toward the recreation of the Russian Empire).

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                    And might those ethnic Russians have been there due to a sustained campaign on the part of the Soviets to depopulate the region of ethnic Ukrainians and replace them with ethnic Russians as part of a plan to increase loyalty of the region to the central Soviet authority?

                    No, that narrative came from fascist Banderite propaganda. Relatedly, Nazis created the Ukrainian genocide myth in the 1930s, and Banderites coined the term “Holomodor” in the 1980s to evoke associations with the Holocaust.

                    it’s pretty easy to stop believing the framing of a dictator who only wants to justify his territorial ambitions

                    It ought to be very easy to stop believing something that isn’t true, but sadly it’s not so easy.

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                    • 📺 Political scientist and international relations scholar John J. Mearsheimer addresses the EU Parliament about the Ukraine war and its consequences
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                They sure were

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          I hate to be on the same side as a .world chud, but, like, this is a question about invasion not all the other myriad fuckery and provocations.

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