I’m not saying that all Catholics think this, but most do. also sorry if the seahorse is hard to see X—X
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Male seahorse get pregnant, but that doesn’t make them trans, they’re unambiguously male. This is a great example of why sex is defined by gamete size. If it weren’t, we couldn’t talk about males and females in any useful way across the animal kingdom.
Clownfish would be a better example as they’re sequential hermaphrodites, but that doesn’t have any bearing on the human sex binary.
*the non-existent human sex binary
This is often a point of confusion, but human sex is binary. There’s edge cases that require clarification as to how they fit into the binary, but don’t disprove it.
Human sexuality overall is complex and that’s why we differentiate gender from sex. The sex binary and gender spectrum complement each other though, and don’t clash.
If you’re interested in learning more, here’s some background reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonochorism
We fall into that category, where we have two body plans, each organized around producing either sperm or ova. Other species have more body plans, such as recognizably distinct males, females, and hermaphrodites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trioecy
Those species are a good contrast. Humans don’t have that variation, and so sex is binary in humans.
There’s literature that explains this specifically in detail, though most of it doesn’t really explicitly talk about it, much like math papers don’t generally explain that integers can be added together.
There’s edge cases that require clarification
Ok, yes. That’s where I believe the binary is false.
You have red, you have blue, and then there’s a bunch of egde cases. To me that’s not the end of the story. I believe purple exists.
Do you have a particular edge case in mind? One that’s commonly brought up is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovotesticular_syndrome, but that doesn’t fall outside the sex binary. Having a bit of nonfunctional tissue doesn’t affect one’s sex.
Colors aren’t a great analogy either, because in anisogamous species, gametes are strictly binary. There’s sperm and ova, with 0 overlap and 0 other options. “Purple gametes” just don’t exist.
This also isn’t my opinion, this is the accepted definition in the field of biology.
Not anymore, no.
Sex Redefined: The Idea of 2 Sexes Is Overly Simplistic | Scientific American https://share.google/T8SeIlF6VVw1nWogD
From the author of that paper:
https://xcancel.com/ClaireAinsworth/status/888365994577735680
In your piece ‘Sex Redefined’ are you making the claim there are more than 2 sexes?
No, not at all. Two sexes, with a continuum of variation in anatomy/physiology.
That last quote reads as “Red and blue. Don’t need a word for purple.”
But we do need a word for purple.
This is an English and categorization problem.
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So those who cannot reproduce and aren’t in either category are still human. And therefore in a third category.
Red, blue, none. Three categories.
Also, intersex can sometimes reproduce.
People’s bodies are still organized around the production of either sperm or ova, even if they’re unable to reproduce due to a developmental issue. You can call that a third category if it’s useful to you, but that doesn’t form a third sex as understood by biologists.
Intersex is a confusing term, and doesn’t dispute the binary. People are still male or female, with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development
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Ok there Isaac Newton. Call it violet.
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Every gender is binary because the universe we live in is a simulation run on the higher sphere’s equivalent of a pentium iii.
How about chickens? If you have some hens without a rooster, you’ve got good chance that one of them will “transform” into a rooster. Especially if you had a rooster but it died.
I’m not aware of that being an actual change in sex. The hen can develop male characteristics, but won’t produce functional sperm.
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A whole new vibe to, “plenty of fish in the sea.”
what
I was just looking up if ducks can turn trans and this popped up
What the duck?!
Who keeps their ducks in their prostate?
Mine are stuck, can you help me 👉 👈
Yes
You’re a good pal
just in case
Yeah I think it’s ironic that out of all the animals that can change their sex, OP chose one that doesn’t lol.
Also animals being able to change sex does not make them trans. Being transgender has to do with gender identity and its relation to biological sex.
Snails as well
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It’s perfectly cis for a male seahorse to give birth. That said, a quick search told me they also change sexes over the course of their life so…
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Ah, yeah we can’t really know. Sequential hermaphrodism in chordates however is sometimes used to argue that biological sex isn’t as stable of a construct as some prefer to act like it is, in a similar way to how intersex people are used to express how it isn’t as binary of a concept as culture would have you believe.
I’m not sure you can really apply the biology of sea horses to humans, though.
Like, just because some reptiles can regenerate tails doesn’t mean humans regenerating limbs is natural.
Fair, but you also have to keep in mind that this isn’t any of the rigorous argumentation. This is symbols and discussions with grandma level argumentation.
I have had some success with it. Doubt the guy changed his views, but he stopped using that argument.
My biggest issue with this whole thing is just writing “POV” at the start.
Is this like the new generations communication habit? Some people can’t stop putting lol at the end of a message, some people cant stop saying “so here’s the thing” at the start of sentences. Are people just automatically writing POV at the start of memes now?
POV you’re being annoyed about “point of view” being used to describe a speech or vision as if you were the mentioned groupe
That’s okay, it’ll pass one day, you’ll adapt
Or the idiots will have to learn.
Now who are the real idiots? The ones that are stuck in the past, refusing to understand change and being infuriated because a language is being used slightly differently, or the younger ones that are adapting the language and updating it with new speech patterns to better match what they want to express?
Just let me be clear, it incenses me just as much as you, lol, but here’s the thing, run on sentences are much worse for us in the interim and we need to circle back around so that that issue becomes a lesser thing, lest we forget the true horrors of english perpetuating themselves through a normalization of nominalization that makes a trivialization of our original lines in the sand aaaaand now I’m just getting into the weeds with my niche micro-interests and brought in too many limes.
yeah sorry
POV you’re sorry
POV I don’t change anything about my behavior or habits
Could you please take this seriously and go resubmit this comment chain with lol following each response. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
also sorry if the seahorse is hard to see
I am emotionally damaged and triggered from seeing this seahorse. It was a very hard thing for me to see.
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Isn’t this confusing sex and gender?
Never really understood those terms. Can someone explain in a simple way?
Not directly. Trans men can get pregnant too (it may or may not be possible if they are on hormones but as long as the Organs are still there they should be table to get pregnant.
Right, that’s my point. Since we don’t know anything about the thoughts of seahorses or about seahorse society, we can’t apply labels like “trans” to seahorses, the only thing we know about is their biology, so sex, not gender.
In case you wanted the explanation from a 1993 Nirvana T-shirt: “Ever the trendsetter, the sea horse is the sole animal known to man which the male of the species endures the privilege of childbirth. Following a length courtship, a male and female have intercourse during which the female enters the male and lays as many as 200 eggs which are fertilized within the body of the male. After a 5-week gestation period, the male gives birth.”
Cobain rocked lol
Okay looks like this one is the female because it has the babies! Oh wait I has a penis so this is the male. The other one is the female because it has the vagina. Oh but it can’t have babies. Then this one is the male! And that one is the female because it has the babies. Oh but it has a penis… Repeat.
Reproductive Cycle of a Seahorse…
No, seahorses don’t have penises in the typical sense; female seahorses possess an ovipositor, a tube-like structure, which they use to deposit their eggs into the male’s specialized brood pouch, where the male then fertilizes them and carries the young until birth, essentially becoming the pregnant parent.
Okay so this one is the male because it has a long stick! And that one is the female because it has a pouch…wait but the stick is full of eggs and the pouch is full of cum. Hmmm hold on the one with the stick gives the stick to the one that has a hole? Preposterous! Let’s all pray.
I think being true to yourself is being closer to God than most Christians are.
honestly
But returning from the dead is A-OK!
As long as you’re the same gender, yes. And didn’t touch you dead wiener, of course.
What if I touched the dead weiner?
YUCK! NECROPHILE!
on this planet, with this mankind? dunno
Catholics: Eating your young isn’t normal or part of nature.
Nature: Looks like meat is back on the menu, boys!
I’m no longer religious, but Catholics are on the chiller side of the Christian spectrum.
Chill? They’re the more rigorous side for certain but chill feels like an exaggeration. That said, I’m ex catholic and have complicated feelings about them.
Catholic dogma may be relatively strict, I’m not sure, I haven’t extensively studied other sects of Christianity. But Catholic people are, in my experience, pretty chill. If anything they’re a much more “love the sinner, hate the sin” kind of bunch. It’s the evangelicals you gotta watch out for.
Episcopalians, which is basically Catholicism-lite, are even more chill. They were the first to allow gay people to be reverends.
Not if you go to a church where they still do the Latin Mass.
That’s generally true, except for the overwhelming violence sometimes. Also there’s the thing with fascists converting to catholicism in America.
In a different form of Catholics having no fucking chill, is the aesthetics and relationship to suffering. Catholicism has a religious fetishization of suffering, which can produce really cool art from The Locked Tomb books (some of the major plot points include specifically catholic dogma) to the gilded human remains, as well as producing some weirder stuff like the play Sancta Susana, religious autoflagelation, and just so very many billable hours for therapists relating to guilt.
Growing up I discovered that there are two types of catholics. My church once had a temporary priest (our previous priest had just been sent on sabbatical and they didn’t have a replacement lined up) reassigned because he gave back to back anti-abortion and homophobic homilies in two weeks and we weren’t okay with that. The aforementioned previous priest routinely spoke in support of the queer community (usually just gay folks, but occasionally trans & beyond), talked about how we should be doing more to support the poor and underprivileged, and generally preacher a doctrine of love and tolerance.
But there are also Catholic groups who preach against all of that, believing that the word of the pope/gospel supersedes interpretation of it. My old roommate once genuinely said that “being gay is fine, it’s just a sin to act on it”. He went to a different church only about an hour from mine, yet they were being preached the near opposite of what I was. And as other users have mentioned, that rift can grow depending on exactly where you go in the church.
Better example is
parrotfishclownfish.Seahorses aren’t a great example here imo. Their biology is just different from ours, the sex that fertilizes is the sex that carries the eggs to term - that doesn’t make them trans that is just how male and female work for seahorses, different than humans.
A seahorse could make this meme calling cis women trans men because they carry the fetus…
Don’t Catholics subscribe to the doctrine of TRANSubstantiation?
