Summary:
Democrats are becoming increasingly concerned about a possible drop in Black voter turnout for the 2024 presidential election, according to party insiders. The worries arise from a 10% decrease in Black voter turnout in the 2022 midterms compared to 2018, a more substantial decline than any other racial or ethnic group, as per a Washington Post analysis. The decline was particularly significant among younger and male Black voters in crucial states like Georgia, where Democrats aim to mobilize Black voter support for President Biden in 2024.
The Democratic party has acknowledged the need to bolster their outreach efforts to this demographic. W. Mondale Robinson, founder of the Black Male Voter Project, highlighted the need for Democrats to refocus their attention on Black male voters, who have shown lower levels of engagement. In response, Biden’s team has pledged to communicate more effectively about the benefits that the Black community has reaped under Biden’s administration, according to Cedric L. Richmond, a senior advisor at the Democratic National Committee.
However, Black voter advocates have identified deep-seated issues affecting Black voter turnout. Many Black men reportedly feel detached from the political process and uninspired by both parties’ policies. Terrance Woodbury, CEO of HIT Strategies, a polling firm, suggests that the Democratic party’s focus on countering Trump and Republican extremism doesn’t motivate younger Black men as much as arguments focused on policy benefits. Concerns are growing within the party that if they fail to address these issues, disenchanted Black voters might either abstain or, potentially, be swayed by Republican messaging on certain key issues.
I always viewed Biden as the lemon I suck on to cleanse my palette between courses, now they want the lemon to be the whole damn meal.
Better than a shit in your mouth? I don’t have to be excited to vote for a lemon but I sure as fuck will to avoid a mouth full of shit. Oh and the reality of what a republican pres will do to the environment.
This is the only sane and rational opinion in the entire thread. Thank fuck for people like you.
Fuck this system, we could have Bernie instead but corporate money don’t like that so we got our democracy adultered and only had Biden to choose from last time
Then maybe get a better candidate? I’m pretty sure most sane Americans will vote for anyone not Trump. It’s not that hard, just use another candidate…
If they got a better candidate, they would have to represent their constituents. Democrats don’t want that. They want to ride high on Republican tax policies.
Dems: best we can do is this incredibly old man, and this roided up nutjob. Good luck everybody!
Unfortunately almost half of Americans are not sane.
I think you mean almost half of all voting districts.
I’m 40+, but youngsters are probably thinking, ‘Vote for old white guy #1 or old white guy #2, who cares, neither can relate.’ I voted for Joe last time only because Bernie wasn’t running. I’m thinking Marianne Williamson this time, though. I don’t know if Joe will make it, and I definitely don’t want Kamala as president. She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
'Vote for old white guy #1 or old white guy #2, who cares, neither can relate.
Anyone who actually thinks this way is so far off base it’s unbelievable. Politics isn’t a personality contest. It’s ruthless, calculated pragmatism.
I’m thinking Marianne Williamson this time, though. I don’t know if Joe will make it, and I definitely don’t want Kamala as president. She put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.
This is an incredibly privileged and out of touch opinion. The damage that Republican policies will inflict on this country is egregious and you’re going to base your vote on the fact that Kamala put people in jail for weed? This isn’t a game. This isn’t a happy democracy where we show up and vote for our feelings. This is literally a calculated political exercise. Your attitude is dangerous and by NOT voting for harm-reducing policies you are contributing to a worse America.
you don’t seem to know what harm reduction means. it’s not voting for the architect of the crime bill.
If the alternative is worse then yes, it’s voting for the architect of the crime bill. It’s not ideal but it’s still harm reduction.
harm reduction is accepting that the thing is going to happen (some shitty politician is going to win) and trying to mitigate that harm.
ie harm reduction in regards to iv drug use is providing safe needles, injection sites, and testing kits.
dont try to conflate sucking bidens dick with reducing the harm from the government.
Harm reduction is reducing harm. Pretty straight forward.
If Politician A wants to pass harmful drug laws and Politician B wants to do even worse, then voting for Politician A is harm reduction.
that is not what harm reduction is and you should stop spreading misinformation along with your bad advice and politics.
Just curious, if Marianne doesn’t get the Democratic nomination do you still plan on voting for the Democratic nominee?
Regardless of your feelings about Harris, (I have similar feelings) you must recognize that having her as president would be, by far, the lesser evil when compared to Trump especially if you’re concerned about excessive imprisonment / decriminalization of marijuana.
I’ll be voting for Joe if Marianne doesn’t get the nomination. Trump is a conman and a criminal in my eyes. Joe is a corporate Democrat and I would much rather have a a social Democrat. I’ll take what I can get though.
I agree with you in principle, but please hold your nose and vote for Joe like I will be doing. Splitting the vote is how we’ll end up with a second Trump presidency.
Forcing unliked or unwanted candidates is how the Dems lose elections. Dems absolutely are ass at primary voting.
Let’s show them…that we aren’t reliable voters and shouldn’t be their core of support
It’s less about the race and age of the person and more about the politics. Bernie was “old white guy” but he excited young voters. They couldn’t overcome the behemoth party machine and their big media buddies working hard to redirect voters.
Criminal justice is what got me political in the first place tbh. I can abide by your line on kamala. And I would love a female president.
Say, for the sake of the argument, there are only 2 viable candidates. Guy #1 wants to kill 1 million people and Guy #2 wants to kill 2 million people who do you vote for?
You vote for Guy #1. You flyer, donate, and campaign for Guy #1. If you vote for some 3rd party who can never win you aren’t being brave or informed, you’re literally doing nothing while Guy #2 tries to kill 2 million people.
We don’t live in a happy, beautiful world where we have the privilege of picking the policies we want to enact. We have 2 choices and they are “bad” and “worse”. This isn’t about your feelings. This is about the actual impact that bad policy will have on millions and millions of Americans.
From a non-US standpoint this is rather easy:
You have 2 geriatric options. Option 1 would lead to a dictatorship. Option 2 would lead to the - non-ideal - status quo.
How the fuck do you even have to think about which option would be better???
The Dems have ran non ideal status quo candidates for so long it becomes fatiguing so people stay home or write in Snoop Dogg.
While I totally understand the frustration - apathy cannot be a solution in this scenario!
You’d rather sit at home and watch your democracy go up in flames than just make an “x” on a piece of paper or a screen? Seriously, come on man…
Nothing in the comment to which you replied suggests that the commenter has given up. They merely describe what causes people to do so. At least as I read it.
Don’t be an idiot. It’s been going on for so long, and the two party FPTP system is so broken, that this disgruntlement is justified. If neither party changes, and if voting for the less bad choice is construed as endorsement, them what other choice does a conscientious voter have?
You do understand that the choice you are essentially voting for, if you don’t vote, is a fundamentalist dictatorship that will tell you how to live your life, and imprison you if you don’t obey, while taking your freedoms and wealth anyway even if you do. Yes?
Apathy is fine as long as both parties believe in running a democracy. The gop no longer does.
Democracy is going up in flames either way, the question is whether we want it fast or slow. The only way to stop it is for the Dems to put up decent candidates who want to stop the slide, and thus far, they’ve declined to do so. So while yes, we should keep voting blue to slow the slide, we shouldn’t be stupid enough to believe that doing so is enough to stop it.
While I totally understand the frustration - apathy cannot be a solution in this scenario!
Then quit accepting it from those we elect.
You don’t. You don’t understand the frustration. You’re not part of this you’re just a casual observer with an opinion formed from the outside.
I see alot of don’t let perfect be the enemy of good rhetoric and it comes off to me as “I’ve done fairly well in this system, I’m OK with it being rigged to its core”
non-ideal over violent civil war
this is not a tough decision, my friend
Exactly. I live in America and I can’t believe the stupidity of some of these comments like “well because they’re running Joe Biden I won’t vote waaaah!” Ok, then enjoy your dictatorship? It culturally is the worst thing I hate about being here.
But if you don’t consider Trump the absolute threat that he is, you just stay home. When I thought there was no way he’d win (2016) I didn’t vote for Hilary because I hate her. I voted for Biden because the threat had become real.
Dems are correctly assessing that there are still people who see Trump as a clown show rather than a future dictator.
Easy is subjective. The choice is obvious but having to vote for someone you know doesn’t represent most of us isn’t easy. It’s a hard thing that we have to do. Nobody is thinking about what option to vote for here. We’re grieving the decision that’s already been made for us because there’s no acceptable alternative. But thanks for your contributions. It’s always so very helpful when people that don’t even live our lives roll up to state the obvious.
Because the status quo at this point will also kill millions, just slower.
I just don’t bother voting. We need a large majority of eligible voters, those who actually don’t believe in the system, to stop showing up. When the tide goes out, we can all see who’s swimming naked.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in this thread. I can’t imagine you’re anything but a troll trying to get people not to vote.
Neither party represents me
I’m not from the US either, but I’m pretty sure there’s a third choice - staying home.
That’s a vote for Hitler V2
First of all, not voting is, by definition, not a vote for anyone or anything. Second, the right to vote always includes the right to not vote for any of the given choices.
Sure. But failure to vote against Hitler is supporting fascism.
What does it say about the democratic party that they praise this system, uphold it, and use it as a cudgel to shame people into voting for them? Top democratic members, including biden, claim that we need a strong republican party. Why do we need a strong fascist party? To scare people into voting for the democrats who are republican-lites, of course.
They mean a strong opposition party without fascists. The Rs are led by an actual Nazi who has stated his desire to obliterate all who oppose him If that’s not enough to motivate you, it means you’re okay with it.
This just screams “I can fix him!” but for a political party. The republican party is a lost cause, even assuming your charitable interpretation of what they said, it’s an impossible task. That democrats insist that we must keep them strong means that they’re not only okay with fascism, they actively encourage it. It is the natural evolution of capitalism, after all, and democrats are all about that. While they’re enabling fascism, democrats think they have a monopoly on morality and that if you don’t vote for them then it’s your fault that fascism exists… which, again, they enable.
I’ve said this elsewhere, but I vote for democrats every single time, I’m just not stupid enough to think it’s going to make things better. That’s simply not the goal of democrats.
I was mostly referring to the (likely) candidates as options, but yes, sadly you are right. Doesnt help that by design it is more difficult to vote for certain groups than others. Still. If I had to take a day off and risk my job by doing so - It would be worth it to prevent a dictatorship!
If an actual fascist dictatorship were a real threat the democratic party would be totally impotent against it.
An actual fascist dictatorship IS the real threat. What do you think trump will do if he wins?
Yep. These “I just won’t vote” comments are naive.
We have lost the Supreme Court to Republicans and they put in three hack judges. We have lost the House. We barely have a 50/50, and some paid off Dems like Tricia Cotham who was a GOP plant switched sides. Steve Bannon is running chaos agent RFK Jr. to try to screw up Dem votes. We cannot pass any bills, really. We are at risk of Trump or a Hitler clone like Desantis running. We are at high risk of fascism right now.
The LAST thing we need right now is to whine about current candidate availability. We are not in a position to do so. To not vote, or even vote third party right now in our tenuous position is suicide. We can fix these things later. But not now. The goal right now is to get in enough Democrats to repair what Trump did. Then prevent it from happening again. And it takes time.
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I think this mentality is what let’s fascism take root. And capitalism has a natural bent for it. So trump has already done his worst damage imo. It’s what continues to grow from it that is concerning.
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If fascism comes to America, it will be at the hands Donald Trump or one of his devotees.
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War with China- the same thing that will happen if Biden wins.
As someone who voted Barr-Romney-Johnson-Biden I’m gonna be in the booth pissed I’m voting for Biden again considering the libertarians fully lost the plot and Republicans went full fascist with trump
I miss Uncle Gary.
I voted for Romney because I didn’t like the Johnson wing of the party…. I felt it was a bit to far down the end of burn it all down. He reeled it back in a little bit then I remember a crowd booing him for stating drivers licenses aren’t bad or something and I knew it had gone full unhinged.
What a legend, too bad he died of a weed overdose during that interview
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I’m not a Biden superfan either but I think people need to be aware of the reality. I have kids that don’t feel like voting because “Biden does not excite them”. While he doesn’t excite me either, it’s important to understand that not voting for Biden is essentially a step in the direction of the “other guy”, which happens to me MUCH MUCH WORSE than Biden.
It’s naive to think that you can go from a to z without going through b, c, d, etc… We don’t vote for the ideal candidate, we vote for one that at least seems to be pointing in the right direction and has a chance to win.
Also remember that this whole “both sides are the same shit, so why vote” idea was spread around exactly to discourage people from voting. It’s key to be mindful of that.
I’ll say I have a considerably higher opinion of him now than I did in 2020. Then, I basically voted for a seat-filler, hold down the fort so the fascists aren’t in power. Now, I’m fairly impressed.
But the fact remains that the man is 80. Sometimes he looks like a canny old man, and I kind of like canny old men, those old guys who are sharp as a tack with a wit to match. And sometimes he just looks elderly. I don’t like the idea of the oldest president ever three times in a row. Frickin 80, he’ll be 86 by the end of a second term. That’s a problem. And while I don’t have any problems with Harris, a lot of folks do.
My best hope is that he’s saying he’s running because it’s politically weak if he doesn’t. And if Trump is convicted of something before 2024, he’ll bow out and there will be a democratic primary. Worst case scenario, I won’t feel bad about voting for him again.
Well maybe a little - the man deserves a comfortable retirement.
It’s pretty obvious who to vote for considering Republicans are actively attacking our country. Sorry, I don’t vote for terrorists.
He was too old the first time, I’m surprised he made it this long. I was under the impression that their plan was to have biden die during his term so kamala became the first woman president.
“… Their plan was to have Biden die…”
Can you hear yourself? That’s f’ng crazy.
My dad said the same shit. He got it from his Facebook echo chamber. Except they called her was gross names.
You think they didn’t consider the possibility when they chose a 78 year old to run for president? It was probably more likely than not. Now even more so.
Goddamn. ok. Double down on crazy then. Who exactly is “they” here, in your worldview, may I ask?
Jesus dude, I’m not talking about some secret society world order bullshit.
Literally the democratic party decides who can run for leader of their party, you think Joe Biden just randomly says he wants to run and everyone says sure? Otherwise he would have to run as an independent.
The possibility is considered with every election. That’s why there are two names on the ticket.
I dont think theyre plan was to outright let him die during the presidency, but I did think they would bust out the 25th amendment at least a year ago to put Kamala in charge
Also, Kamala is a pretty bad choice too due to her record as a district attorney. I still can’t believe the Democrats ran with her despite police reform being such a huge issue in 2020
Lol I can believe it, do you think the Democrats actually want to do anything about the police?
Democrats only lose if the Democrats beat themselves. And they seem to be trying to do that.
Cackles in Kamala Harris
I’ve experienced a infinitesimal fraction of the bullshit, and empathize with the disillusionment. The system is dying. Trump did his damage already. That and worse are inevitable. Money in politics. Money in all of it, i mean you have people being locked up in the name of corporate, and ecobomic interest ffs. I vote in all the elections especially local because that can help shift police behavior for the better of day to day people. I didn’t always vote. When trump first won I was listening on a broken wireless am radio in a shitty apt with no power or food in absolute wonder at the depravity of man and the meaning of it all for me… I didn’t vote that year. Fuck me right? I didn’t even know where the polls were. The people not voting are the ones pushing boundaries IMHO. What we are opposed to is the ruling class. The dnc bootlickers and fascists alike can get fucked.
Wed need the second coming of Jesus to save this version of “democracy” ffs.
If people don’t vote for Biden they are voting for the end of the US and democracy around the globe.
Democracy is letting the people choose for themselves, so if the people don’t vote for him it’s democracy all the same.
He/she probably means this will be the last time you vote democratically. Meaning without fraud and with press freedom.
I don’t understand the comment about democracy in the rest of the world. The US won’t change that.
Choosing to let the fascists win is certainly a choice. It’s not a good choice, but it’s a choice.
In normal times, sure.
Except republicans actively seek to circumvent democracy whenever they’re in power.
See Ohio’s Issue 1 and rampantly, illegally, gerrymandered districts
There zero chance democrats dont show up if trumps on the ballot nobody is better at energizing the democrats base than trump
Trump on the ballot was what got me to vote. I’ve never really been jazzed enough to vote for someone, but I was sure angry enough to vote against.
I was just talking to a family member, and I was saying that I hope that it is trump. If the Republicans could put together any other non-controversial opponent, that person would destroy Biden in an election. Of course, I was happy that trump was running against Hillary as I thought he was the only opponent she could probably beat, so my prognostication skills are pretty shitty.
Too bad the DNC is such a corporate shithole that they are unable to back any strong progressives.
I’m sorry to bring up Reddit, but being interested in US politics (I’m not from the US) I’m impressed with the level of discussion here.
Almost every political reddit comment section I’ve encountered was a cesspool of such polarized left vs right opinions that anything more nuanced and centered was buried right away.
I feel like that’s the problem in almost any political debate among people in the US. Everything is so polarizing. It always seems like it’s a “you’re either with us or against us”. And you can’t even discuss something you’re unaware of without some know-it-all jackals jumping down your throat with political rage.
I try so incredibly hard to be even keeled and not jump down throats with political rage. But even the phrase you used there, “you’re either with us or against us” my first though was gee who’s fault is that. (Bush II leading up to the iraq invasion in 2003 if anyone doesn’t know. 20 years ago so officially history I guess.)
No matter which angle I think about it I just can’t stand the gop.
Do you actually think that? Dude, you need to read more forums. This place is an echo chamber.
Probably all the bots that are designed to push your buttons, trigger that dopamine rush from being the right one and fuck that asshole bot, and drive engagement. Instant cesspool.
I was told that Biden was the more electable candidate. If this was the case this shouldn’t be an issue right?
I don’t cross picket lines, why would I vote for a union buster? Balk all you want but that’s my hard line. Already listed out the local reps I can’t vote for because of the same reason. Y’all can bend your beliefs however you want to justify feedin into the same old cycle but I told them this was my hard line and they crossed it. Fuck them.
If Trump is elected do you think that his administration would be more friendly to unions than the Biden administration?
If you’re mad about Biden forcibly ending the rail strike (which was honestly infuriating) you should know that his administration continued to work with the labor union afterward to negotiate a deal while also avoiding a disastrous economic shutdown that would have resulted from the strike. Could Biden have done more to get a deal without forcing an end to the strike? Maybe. Should he have let the economy collapse in order to support labor rights? Maybe, but I understand why he didn’t.
Biden was basically my last choice of the field of democrats running in 2020 but I don’t know what anyone else would have done to achieve better results.
Honestly given the way elections work I’m the us this is a pretty shit line of reasoning
Trump is a union buster and more
Cool, im not voting for Trump. Whatever happend to be the change you want to see in the world? If more people voted for their best interest candidate, not just whoever has the better chance at winning, maybe our democracy would work.
Until we do away with FPTP voting, you’re essentially throwing your vote away if you don’t vote Democrat or Republican.
Demonstratebly false considering enough votes for a third party gets them on the debate stage which gets them more voters and lets the rest of America know that actually have a choice.
I’ve heard that one before, but if more people voted for their best interest instead of being feared and shamed into voting for a compromise then that wouldn’t be true. Be the change you wanna see my friend, if you can’t do it no one will. It’s not my fault the system is broken, and I’m allowed to vote for my best interest. If you dislike that my vote is not as impactful to you maybe you should do something to change the system because im satisfied voting 3rd party until the cows come home, because it will never be a viable choice if people continue to not vote third party.
A lot of you are acting like lesser evilism isn’t exactly how we ended up choosing between a fascist and someone who’s too afraid to fight fascism. You think you’re gonna ‘leaser evil’ you’re way out of the problem that it caused?
You’re welcome to stand by your ideals, but FPTP will always boil down to a two-party system. If voting for a third party makes you feel better, go for it, but that’s all that it will accomplish.
wrong. a party only needs to achieve 5% popular vote to get federal funding next election cycle. everyone should vote for who they actually want.
Not voting democrat is a direct vote for fascism. Just because it’s not ideal and not fair doesn’t make it any less true.
Just because it’s not ideal
It’s always ideal for people who say this.
