you know it’s a fucking banger when you try to collapse the top comment in the thread to skip all the folks litigating over the value of an ebike and more than 2/3rds of the comments in an 884 comment long thread disappear
also featuring many takes from understanders of statistics:
I’m wary about using public roads to test these, but I think the way the data is presented is misleading. I’m not sure how it’s misleading, but separating “incidents” into categories (safety, traffic, accident, etc) might be a good start.
For example, I could start coning cruise cars, and cause these numbers to skyrocket. While that’s an inconvenience to other drivers, it’s not a safety issue at all.
By the way, as a motorcyclist (and thus hyper annoyed at bad driving), I find Uber/Lyft/Food drivers to be both much more dangerous and inconveniencing than these self driving cars.
Depending where someone put a cone on my car i would possibly just run them over or drive off unsafely if i felt that it was an attempt to rob me or steal my car.
How far gone are you to think that kidnapping and robbery aren’t violent acts that justify violent responses? If you try to detain me illegally (also known as false imprisonment) you’re just asking for a face full of lead.
this thread has all of my least favorite mechanized fash, including a bunch of folks defending running over protestors
Only tangentially related, but a thing I’ve been thinking about:
Just the other day I was riding my bike and came to a four-way stop. I planned to turn right, but it was up a steep hill. To my left was a car who was waiting for me, assuming I wanted to go straight. But I didn’t want them to be stuck behind me all the way up the hill, so I just pointed to the right up the hill and they understood and went ahead of me.
My concern with the hypothetical autonomous car future, and the whole “autonomous car safety” argument in general, is that it seems like the safety questions are almost entirely focused on “safety of the driver” and “miles traveled without an accident”. “See,” everyone says, pointing to their very cool graphs and metrics, “they’re much safer than a human driver!”
But I have a much bigger concern as someone who doesn’t really drive that often, which is that when I’m walking or biking I have no idea how to negotiate with or predict the behavior of these things. Sure, humans can get distracted, but humans fail in ways that are well-understood, and you can negotiate with humans socially in a way you can’t negotiate with an opaque ML algorithm that might fail in a completely random and unpredictable way. When I’m not in a car, I feel much safer interacting with human-driven cars than I would with autonomous vehicles.
