The Bible actually says to shut up and pay your taxes without complaining lmao. Wonder who wrote that?
Yeah, you can bet your ass the Pope wanted everyone paying up.
Didn’t Jesus say something along the lines of “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”? Sounds to me like he was pro taxes.
Matthew 22:20,21: He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s
except that’s not what taxes are - taxes are citizens money going in to a pot to pay for things citizens need.
Also doesn’t sound like something Jesus would say (in the context being portrayed) considering how much he hated the rich and their greed (to be clear, I’m not even christian, but this is well known).
Either way, some rich fuck trying to claim them for themsleves (or whoever added it later to serve the ruler of the time) doesn’t change what taxes are.I love people so deliberately missing the point… Fuck Jesus and what he did or didn’t say, taxes aren’t for and don’t belong to the ruler of a country/community/whatever, no matter what that ruler tells you, it really isn’t that fucking complicated.
Also doesn’t sound like something Jesus would say
It is literally something he said, after specifically being asked about paying taxes.
Mf really talked out of his ass didn’t he?
Always does.
Someone else said this line was a later addition.
Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” He saw through their duplicity and said to them, “Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?”“Caesar’s,” they replied. He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Luke 20 NIV
It’s pretty clear they’re taking about taxes.
Exactly what my dad said when I tried to teach him about pirating media lol
Caeaers dead, dad.
Only Caesar I’ve ever seen, was a salad.
No he didn’t. That line was added at the Council of Nicea a couple of hundred years later
Every line in the Bible about Jesus was added later.
Source?
My A-Level in biblical criticism thirty years ago. Sorry, I don’t have the notes any more. Maybe google can help?
I couldn’t find anything that supports your claim
It’s the obligation of whoever makes a claim to support the claim, not of those who doubt it.
Reasonable were this a formal debate, bit sadly it’s not and I really don’t care enough to check. Disbelieve me, believe me, or check for your yourself as you see fit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar
The original message, coming in response to a question of whether it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Caesar, gives rise to multiple possible interpretations about the circumstances under which it is desirable for Christians to submit to earthly authority.
All three synoptic gospels state that hostile questioners tried to trap Jesus into taking an explicit and dangerous stand on whether Jews should or should not pay taxes to the Roman authorities. The accounts in Matthew 22:15–22 and Mark 12:13–17 say that the questioners were Pharisees and Herodians, while Luke 20:20–26 says only that they were “spies” sent by “teachers of the law and the chief priests”.
The Tribute Money, by Peter Paul “Pee Wee” Rubens (1610–1615)
They anticipated that Jesus would oppose the tax, as their purpose was “to hand him over to the power and authority of the governor”. The governor was Pilate, and he was the man responsible for the collecting of taxes in Roman Judea. Initially the questioners flattered Jesus by praising his integrity, impartiality, and devotion to truth. Then they asked him whether or not it is right for Jews to pay the taxes demanded by Caesar. In the Gospel of Mark[3] the additional, provocative question is asked, “Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”
Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose head and inscription were on it. They answered, “Caesar’s,” and he responded: “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”.
There is a verse in the Bible which specifically says you have to follow the law unless it conflicts with the Bible.
Too bad it said nothing like that about science.
Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar’s.
Lots of people are mentioning the Caesar thing, but nobody has mentioned that tithe is also a tax, and there is plenty said about that. Malachi 3:8, for example.
omw to look at the comments to see if it actually does
Stealing is a sin and tax fraud is stealing money from the country you live in
Fraud also involves lies, so that a two for one.
ITT:
A lot of people that don’t get the anti-Roman rabble rouser was sneakily saying Caesar isn’t owed anything by Judaea.
It actually is in favour of tax fraud painting the tax collectors as evil
Matthew 22:20,21: He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”
Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get
The Pharisee paints the tax collector as evil, but the pharisee is the bad guy in this story. Literally the next two verses:
13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to raise his eyes toward heaven, but was beating his chest, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other one; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Yeah, to me it sounds like “even a tax collector, the worst type of person you know, is better than the Pharisee in this story”
