Fuck this shit, why does every fucking thing need an LLM?
Am I out of touch?
a writing assistant was one of the most requested features in our recent survey
Apparently, I am. People actually want this
For Proton Mail, 59% of respondents want an easier way to send end-to-end encrypted emails to non-Proton users, while 29% want a writing assistant for proofreading, grammar, and composing emails.
Nothing I hate more than not giving a link to the repo
Scribe relies on open source code and models, and is itself open source and therefore available for independent security and privacy audits
Not on their support page specifically for it either
Had to got to Reddit and look at their comments to find out they’re using Mistral
https://reddit.com/comments/1e68sof/comment/ldsbs24
We built Scribe in r/ProtonMail using the open-source model Mistral AI to empower anyone in need of email productivity to use a privacy-respecting alternative to r/ChatGPT or r/GeminiAI that:
❌ doesn’t log or save prompts
⛔️ doesn’t use your data for training
🔎 open-source code that anyone can inspect
🖥️ can be run locally, so your data never leaves your device
See the official announcement here: https://proton.me/blog/proton-scribe-writing-assistanthttps://huggingface.co/mistralai/Mistral-7B-v0.1/discussions/8
Hello, thanks for your interest and kind words! Unfortunately we’re unable to share details about the training and the datasets (extracted from the open Web) due to the highly competitive nature of the field. We appreciate your understanding!
The thing that pisses me off the most is that they are disingenuous almost to the point of lying in interpreting that survey’s results. They say that 75% of users are interested in GenAI, when actually what they asked is whether people have used any GenAI at all in the recent past. And that still doesn’t mean they want GenAI in Proton. That’s a pretty significant sleight of hand. The more relevant question would have been the first one on what service people want the most. In that case only 29% asked for a writing assistant, which is still not the same thing as a full LLM. The most likely answer to “how many Proton customers want an LLM in Proton Mail” seems to be “few”.
I think the philosophical concept of Open Source can’t really work in ML models unless the training data is open as well. As it stands, these “open source” models are still very much a black box. Nobody was really questioning the implementation of the GPT.
Yeah this would be like Google saying Google Search was “open source” because map-reduce was open, or something.
At least this one is open-source and quite privacy respecting
Yeah, and if that’s the case, it seems like people just hate AI for the sake of it now.
LLM’s are actually good at some things. Just not everything.
LLM’s are actually good at some things.
Just look at the most recent ecological reports about it and combine them with the AI industry growth plans. You’ll get an interesting perspective.
They’re really good at burning hug amounts of electricity.
I love how their blog posts say so much and so little at the same time - almost like they’ve been generated by a an LLM lmfao. I read the blog post and still couldn’t find out on what data their model is trained on.
We should be appreciating open-source AI. If you stay in one place, you can’t grow.
What benefit is there to “growth” for its own sake?
In 10 years, 90% of the population that has access to AI will be reduced to a flock without the ability to write a single birthday card.
were you also complaining about calculators?
I complain about human’s laziness.
I mean, you can’t really change that though. Humans are very lazy
I know at least with art, AI is starting to eat itself with the massive output of content. AI is getting trained on more and more AI content and according to what I read at least its starting to affect new outputs.
Assuming thats true, it at least makes techie sense to me lol, I expect the same would happen to text based AI as well as more and more of the internet becomes exclusively AI generated.
at least you can run it locally. Are you just complaining because you hate AI? There’s a community for that, go complain there.
Is a paying customer not allowed to complain that they waste their time on chasing the next popular thing, instead of, I dunno, delivering important features promised years ago?
I might be naive, but given how often its being done I have to imagine that of all the project initiatives at Proton, adding LLMs is a relatively easy integration, when you compare it do developing a native application. Im sure theres been work at proton for a long time on those features, its just that the LLM team did this project quickly.
An AI writing assistant was one of the most requested features in their community survey. Trying to construct an outrage narrative on behalf of the consumer doesn’t really work when the consumer literally voted for this.
Outrage narrative? Are you talking about me, or you?
Are you actually a Proton user, or you just here to shitpost? Because there are features that were promised years ago and then forgotten about, because they aren’t trendy enough.
Yes, I am a paying customer and have been for several years. I didn’t vote for the feature myself and will not use it, but other people did so good for them. The Proton Mail team will be simultaneously working on multiple aspects of the service, and I’m sure there will be updates that I can enjoy in the future. I pay for the service because I want to use it today, not because I am waiting for a promised feature.
A whooping 30% of users requested it
Yes, it was the second most requested feature in the survey. Only one other feature was more requested and it was one that will likely take more time to implement.
I do just want to point out that all the other paying customers also deserve the same say as you do, and in the survey linked multiple times in this thread this feature was the second-most requested feature of the Proton team by its users. It would be obtuse of the Proton team to ignore something a full third of its users want, no?
second most requested feature
At 29% lmao. Also it wasn’t a requested feature, it was an answer to a predefined poll.
That’s how mass feature requests work. The company determines a set of possible new features, then ask their customers to vote on them. No one is going to sift through a million different unfeasible requests written by people who have absolutely no clue about development or the business structure. You are utterly delusional if you think that’s how this normally works.
Are you saying people were obligated to select that option in the survey? This reads like you don’t understand how polls work, and condescending to a stranger over an email client’s customer survey results is a really weird thing to do…
not really. You don’t get to decide what the company does if you are a paying customer. I am a paying customer and I want this. If you don’t like it you can just use your money elsewhere
New to Proton here. What important features were promised years ago?
Proton Drive Linux desktop client and system integration for Calendar on Android are the main ones I remember.
Thanks. Really interesting they dedicated an entire team to create some AI tools but decided to not create those things you mentioned. A drive program and a calendar program seems way more simple and straight forward.
Just unsubscribed from them. I just use their mail.
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they have been going downhill for a while, proton has worked with the feds without resistance bbc article
