• @ralakus@lemmy.world
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      1292 months ago

      It’s the HK G11 and FN P90. Both guns have a magazine where the cartridges aren’t in line with the chamber so each cartridge needs to be rotated before it can chambered. HK decided to commune with ancient clockwork gods to learn the secrets of kraut space magic while FN just went with a curved ramp.

    • @sheepy@lemm.ee
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      492 months ago

      FN P90’s magazine turns the bullets 90 degrees by turning them with its feed geometry. It kinda looks like a slide for bullets if you squint hard enough. HK G11 uses about as many parts as in an average Swiss watch to do the same thing.

      • @zaphod@sopuli.xyz
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        152 months ago

        I wonder if the G11’s mechanism is so overengineered because it uses caseless cartridges.

        • @DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          There were far simpler caseless mechanisms devised. But the G11 fired caseless ammo, rotated it 90 degrees and more importantly had a burst mode where the barrel and magazine recoiled together continually throughout the 3 round burst, only returning to battery after the 3rd round was fired. That latter one added a lot of complexity.

          • @HackerJoe@sh.itjust.works
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            22 months ago

            It’s also pretty fast at about 2000 rpm in burst mode. If they hadn’t used caseless ammo this would have been a really reliable gun.

            Loading it by turning the fold out knob is a bit wonky though. No satisfying chambering clanks like with the M14 or G3. Probably a plus in real combat.

            It’s not even that caseless. The bullets sit in a rectangular box that contains the primer, propellant and a plastic cap to center it. The ammo really is the worst part of that thing.