• @scarabic@lemmy.world
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        126 months ago

        Well, I have a plan and I’ll tell you what it is.

        This idea of a majority Jewish state, kept so through military occupation of Arab-dense territories, needs to simply go away.

        I’m a one-state solution guy. Let everyone there practice their religion in peace and access their holy sites freely, and let democracy reign.

        Israel’s big sin is that they want democracy BUT only with a majority Jewish population and an official state religion etc etc etc. It’s more than a Jewish homeland - it’s an ethnostate.

        That is what needs to end. It doesn’t go somewhere else. No one gets pushed into the sea. We just stop pretending like we can use arms to carve out the “democracy” we want, and Israelis and Palestinians all live in a state that guarantees their freedom and safety.

        Some fear that extremists will rise and take over that pluralistic society: build a constitution that prevents this. Embrace pluralism. Marshall Plan the fuck out of Gaza until the Palestinians see they have more to lose than their misery.

        • @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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          106 months ago

          How do you propose your plan survives the inevitable waves of suicide bombers when you remove the walls and checkpoints?

          Do you force the settlers to give the land back?

          How do you deal with the hardliners on both sides who would do everything in their power to foil your plan? What if those people have popular support and your plan doesn’t?

          Does Palestine simply cease to exist as it’s incorporated into Israel? What do you do about the Palestinians who would argue you’re trying to erase their culture and identity?

          Who pays to rebuild Gaza?

          Do we call it a day and let those accused of war crimes off the hook or do we hold them to account?

    • @Malidak@lemmy.world
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      86 months ago

      Don’t go there. If people would’ve had these opinions on Germany after WW2 that would’ve went really bad. Germany has been rehabilitated not perfectly but imo rather well. I think it is possible for Israel/Palestine as well.

      Or are you suggesting to genocide Israelis like their government is doing to Palestinians right now? That’d be pretty fucked up, don’t you think?

      • @SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world
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        196 months ago

        The state of Germany as it were no longer exists. It was literally deleted. This doesn’t mean that all of Germany was genocided. You just cooked up a worst case of your own head and projected it onto op.

      • @Deceptichum@quokk.au
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        6 months ago

        Oh fuck off.

        Calling for the removal of a state is not a call for genocide.

        I’m so sick of this false equivalency in defense of an actual ongoing genocide by perpetrated by Israel.

        • @Malidak@lemmy.world
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          56 months ago

          Read my comments. I am not defending the genocide. Just not a big fan of the removal of any states or people. Your rage is directed in the wrong direction.

      • @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        People did have these opinions after WW2. They removed nazis from poland, france, russia, etc. Similarly, if zionists refuse to accept freedom, equality, etc., then they’re free to return to their actual “homelands” in europe, asia, africa, etc. for rehabilitation.

        • Skua
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          96 months ago

          80% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, they do not have an “actual home” to go back to

        • @Malidak@lemmy.world
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          66 months ago

          Thank God they didn’t gain the upper hand.

          I think “Israel” needs to be demilitarized and dezionified so that they cannot hurt anyone else. The people responsible for the genocide and crimes against the Palestinian people need to be tried in a court. Let an international alliance govern the affairs of a new state of Palestinians and Jews willing to live together in piece. Everyone else who wants to continue the violence can fuck Off.

          I don’t understand why I am being downvoted for this except that maybe some of these people screaming for peace here actually just want to reverse the killing.

          • @jacksilver@lemmy.world
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            26 months ago

            It’s probably because your comment shows a lack of understanding of the region. A demilitarized Israel is a destroyed Israel. They’ve been attacked by every surrounding state multiple times. Hamas, Lebanon/Hezbollah, and Iran have been consistently firing rockets into Israel for years.

            The reason why these conflicts are so complicated is that both sides have done so many horrible things that no one is on the “right” side of history. It’s like trying to argue who was the good guy in all the wars of Medival Europe.

  • @Sundial@lemm.ee
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    1116 months ago

    This guy is going to start WW3 because he needs to stay in power, and Biden is too much of a chickenshit to rein him in.

    • @thejml@lemm.ee
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      586 months ago

      On top of Biden not doing anything useful here, Trump and the Republicans would gift them a red carpet while padding their stock portfolios with weapons manufacturers to make money on it.

      I hate this timeline. Bibi’s the one needing regime change.

    • ms.lane
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      86 months ago

      World War

      Unlikely.

      A middle eastern proxy war is likely, but the west putting boots on the ground is pretty much out of the question.

    • @boydster@sh.itjust.works
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      216 months ago

      Syria better be on alert. I really feel like Bibi is eying the Kingdom of David at its largest as far as potential war targets go at this point.

    • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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      16 months ago

      Germany started wwii cause of “unfinished business” from wwi.

      Israel conflict is kind of unfinished business from wwii.

      We can’t just assume people will forget about these things.

  • @NastyNative@mander.xyz
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    486 months ago

    This fucking guy starting WW3 with weapons they cant even afford. Why do we keep sending weapons to this lunatic.

  • @catloaf@lemm.ee
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    366 months ago

    He cannot seriously believe the things he is saying.

    And I cannot imagine someone having the absolute gall to make an international address and blatantly lie to the face of every person around the world.

    • @BetaBlake@lemmy.world
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      116 months ago

      Oh no he wasn’t lieing, he’s threatening and promising. Whether it happens, history will tell, but I know he believes what he is saying.

  • @zante@lemmy.wtf
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    346 months ago

    Wouldn’t it be funny if Israel got the regime change in Iran and then America realised it no longer need Israel at all

    • @SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
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      26 months ago

      Nah they have that water passage. And America is all about our boats. Any access to water is going to remain secure and open if we can help it.

      • @LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world
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        66 months ago

        I am failing to recognise if this is satire or not. Maybe my geography is too bad, but what waterway are you talking about? Israel is not strategically significant four the Suez canal, is it?

  • @geography082@lemm.ee
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    326 months ago

    These guys are creating a horrific futures for them. They are violent and reckless. Nothing to do with what humanity should be in the future. Almost all intelligence surveillance companies are from Israel.

    • db0
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      One day they should read what happened to the ancient assyrians who followed similar policies of pissing off absolutely everyone around them

      • @WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
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        36 months ago

        Learning about that now listening to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History. Didn’t expect the episodes to be so long with how highly recommended it was lol.

        • db0
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          36 months ago

          Hch is great. I loved listening to them on my commute

  • @badhops@lemmy.world
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    316 months ago

    will be in and out … should take a couple of weeks. Somehow i feel i have just heard this story

  • @scarabic@lemmy.world
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    126 months ago

    Iran’s last change in ruler was barely noticeable: one ancient dude in a turban for another with almost the same name. I’m sure the next will be similarly unnewsworthy.