• @blazera@lemmy.world
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    14819 days ago

    It’s 80 degrees in November. America has reelected a climate change denier. SUV sales continue to rise.

    • snooggums
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      2719 days ago

      While he can’t legally vacate his state felony convictions it will either go:

      • The judge gives him a slap on the wrist to appear neutral, because liberals love taking the high road and shooting themselves in the dick.
      • Trump tries and SCOTUS gives him a free pass because it is ‘part of his duties as president’ to not go to jail or whatever fucking excuse.
      • @Wisely@lemm.ee
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        If the judge is brave enough to actually put him in prison trump will just ignore it.

        This is the guy who never pays his business partners. Who is going to make him go to prison? Someone immune to criminal prosecution and in charge of the military surrounded by yes men in control of every branch of government.

        The same guy who has avoided all consequences for anything he has ever done up to now and was allowed to run again. The sentencing date was set specifically after the election to see the results first.

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          419 days ago

          I would prefer the judge actually sentenced him to jail even uf it gets ignored, but I expect that to play a part in them taking it down to a slap on the wrist.

      • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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        They should throw the book at him and lock him in solitary (because gen pop is too dangerous for a President Elect).

        Yeah, SCOTUS will bail him out saying the President has to government, but he’s not President for 2 more months and the conviction is for crimes prior to his guest presidency, so Executive immunity doesn’t count. Let him rot for 2 months.

        • snooggums
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          419 days ago

          That would be doing the right thing so of course it won’t happen.

    • JaggedRobotPubes
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      1719 days ago

      JD Vance is a more effective stooge, because he does what he’s told without question. Trump at least has his particular brand of self-defeating chaos.

      • @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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        Likely JD Vance will be chosen as president, he gets some similar weirdo as a vice-president. He will be exactly like Trump, but without the charm.

        • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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          I’m not as sure.

          I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.

          If Trump dies he may feel the freedom to do what he wants to do as President, while claiming to be Trump’s heir to the personality cult.

          At this point it’s our best outcome.

          • @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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            There’s actually a few more:

            • undisputable evidence for destroying ballots, or some other stuff
            • a lone gunman 3: this time an army professional with better guns
            • unfaithful electors
            • Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
            • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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              If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.

              And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.

              I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.

              Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.

            • @Empricorn@feddit.nl
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              319 days ago

              Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”

              Wow, that would be quite a thing. Dark to even think of him being the hero we need, but don’t deserve…

              • @MutilationWave@lemmy.world
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                I am 100% sure that Biden doing anything at all that would change the outcome of the election would lead to rural versus urban civil war. Maybe that’s what we need. But it will be unbelievably terrible.

          • @vividspecter@lemm.ee
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            I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.

            He’s Peter Thiel’s property, so he’ll do whatever he tells him to do. And Thiel is a weird, evil and intelligent man. A Vance presidency would probably be less insane and more calculating (for better and for worse) than Trump at least.

        • @Bread@sh.itjust.works
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          319 days ago

          Honestly, a smarter version of trump as president is a very concerning thought. I am not sure if it is better or much much worse.

    • @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
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      trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?

      One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.

      • @vividspecter@lemm.ee
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        but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?

        Honestly, it feels like the only hope is that things get bad enough for enough Trump supporters (and non-voters) to wake up to reality. And since Vance himself doesn’t seem to have the moron-whisperer charisma that Trump has, they may be more willing to turn on him.

  • @VantaBrandon@lemmy.world
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    Vanity Fair trying to top of the list for targets of a drone strike, kristallnacht 2024 edition is going to be via reaper

    In case you think thats outside of the realm of possibility, I would redirect to you to some recent supreme burrito rulings

  • MrSilkworm
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    A few thousand years ago the ancient Greeks said:

    “δὶς ἐξαμαρτεῖν οὐκ ἀνδρὸς σοφοῦ”.

    Roughly meaning: A wise person doesn’t make the same mistake twise.

    But again some people keep doing it

    • @Cataphract@lemmy.ml
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      I just don’t get why they never learn. I thought you were saying this is spoofed and the real cover was in that article…but nope that’s the really real image. The right LOVES images like this, it does nothing to inform the base besides giving a “cool counter that he’s beating”. Show pictures of him going down on the mic on stage, show pictures of how old and fragile he is, anything but the stupid mugshot/he’s a bad guy motif that’s done nothing for the past year.

    • monke🐵
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      319 days ago

      Kudos to them for having the courage to put this out

  • @CliveRosfield@lemmy.world
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    1119 days ago

    Hopefully dems nominate someone who actually has soul instead of a walking checklist like Kamala. Oh, who am I kidding? They won’t learn anything from this either.

    • PhilMcGraw
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      1419 days ago

      Was that really the issue? She felt pretty “souly” to me. I’m wondering if it’s more voter turnout and people not being ready to vote for a woman (for whatever reason).

      I mean was Biden really above and beyond Harris? He beat Trump, and Trump arguably has even less going for him this election.

      • @Delphia@lemmy.world
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        It was Martin Prince vs Bart Simpson.

        She ran a traditional campaign on issues, Trump got them chanting “More asbestos” difference is they voted.

        The Dems need to realise that this is now a popularity contest and you have to fight a cult of personality with a cult of personality.

      • @CliveRosfield@lemmy.world
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        118 days ago

        It’s certainly how it feels to me when she had a worse turnout than Biden of all people. People truly don’t care for her.

      • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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        He beat Trump,

        Yes, but after four years of being traumatized by Trump voters would have turned out for a blow-up doll. The same will probably happen in four years’ time, I reckon.

        I’d say Harris actually had a lot more “Not Trump” energy than Biden could ever muster, but her inability to promise the voting anything other than just more of the same and the fact that Biden and the Dems have actually done zilch to stop the right-wing insanity in the past four years just demoralized the voting public.

  • Madrigal
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    9419 days ago

    4 more years? Nah. 6 months before they turf him.

    This’ll be a Vance presidency.

      • Pennomi
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        3119 days ago

        Barring something extreme, probably so. There might be legal challenges available but it does not look like Pennsylvania was close enough to possibly flip.

        • ProdigalFrog
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          Mutual aid will be more important than ever, join and build up your local groups if you’re able, it will pay off in dividends in the coming years.

          This election has only proven how electoralism cannot be relied upon, it’s just us now. We need to build the world we want to live in, without corporate influence.

          • Search your local area + ‘mutual aid’.
          • Help your local food not bombs.
          • Create a worker owned cooperative with your friends if possible, or join an existing one.
          • Help spread the meshtastic network to build up communication resilience in your community.
          • Plant trees in your community to help reduce the heat island effect for the coming heatwaves.
          • Create or join a community garden near you to bolster food availability and foster connections with those around you.
          • engage in guerrilla urbanism, make your community safer to walk or bike
          • encourage your coworkers to unionize under the IWW, contact them for help on how to unionize your workplace.
          • vote in your local elections to try and have a state or city government that is less hostile to the above actions, but continue to build decentralized power independently of them regardless. Do not make the mistake of handing off the responsibility to make things better to them, it’s up to YOU, and your community, and hopefully other nearby communities doing the same, but that is all.

          We have tremendous collective power if we just use it, and hopefully this outcome will result in us coming together and building that world in the shell of the old. Collective solidarity is our only solution left.

          • @Flummoxed@lemmy.world
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            Thank you for this comment. I no longer feel quite as hopeless as I did before. I need to focus on doing something to improve something.

            • ProdigalFrog
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              619 days ago

              Glad to hear it :)

              If enough of us join in, we’ll be a force to be reckoned with!

        • IndiBrony
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          1419 days ago

          About 3 or 4 inches to the right, I think is what’s being implied here.

          • @theluckyone@lemmy.world
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            I’m expecting that to happen, from his own camp. It’d be a perfect excuse to pull another Patriot Act and turn the screws just a bit more, pushing the nation further into an authoritarian police state.

      • SeedyOne
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        Can we at least get a thorough recount to be sure this election wasn’t tampered with? It’s a dream scenario with 15% less voter turnout even for the right (more on the left). They’d call for one if Harris won, they got one last time.

    • @reev@sh.itjust.works
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      4619 days ago

      This is definitively the president that the country has chosen. What’s there to not let happen?

      • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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        Well, Biden could legally have him killed by seal team six.
        I’m not advocating for anything, just pointing out what trumps lawyer successfully argued.

        • @owenfromcanada@lemmy.world
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          That’s the problem–it wouldn’t matter. Trump isn’t the problem, the problem is a huge percentage of the country who wants to elect him. If it’s not him, it’ll be someone just as bad. Hell, I wouldn’t put it past people to vote Putin himself in.

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              That’s one of the problems, for sure. First-past-the-post is a terrible voting system, and the electoral college is a mess. Unfortunately, I can’t blame those problems for the outcome of this election. Trump won decidedly–the larger percentage of American people want him, as unfortunate as that is.

              • @darthelmet@lemmy.world
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                Even if someone wins an election by a lot, the nature of voter turnout in the US means they at best represent like a third of the people. The fascists don’t outnumber us in reality, just in a political system that will allow them into power before even a social democrat.

                • @Klear@lemmy.world
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                  119 days ago

                  The fascists don’t outnumber us in reality

                  Doesn’t look like that from where I’m standing.

        • @cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          319 days ago

          I feel like he should attempt to order that to see if anyone is willing to carry it out, for no other reason than to see if they’re willing to do the same when Trump orders it.

  • @Ithorian@lemmy.world
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    People need to stop blaming voters, we all need to start understand why this happen more and more in the world and not judge the voters for their decision. I have some theories but its not the time or place, but stop say “people are dumb” or “People need educations”… 100 million people cant be all dumb or uneducated, go deeper!

    • @Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world
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      It feels so fucking obvious to me and it has for the 20 years I’ve been voting, I fucking voted for dennis kucinich lol. There’s a reason Bernie was able to cut through the noise. He had a blunt and obvious, class based, economic ideology. That’s where he planted his flag.

      The ‘third way’ Democrat machinery seems to plant it’s flag on reactionary culture war issues. Even if that’s only the perception, not reality, they always take the bait.

      AND WHY THE FUCK DID IT TAKE SO GOD DAMNED LONG FOR TRUMP TO BE CHARGED FOR J6? If you want to call them Nazis you have to do Nuremberg when you have the fucking chance.

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        I also think part of the problem is that with the internet, we may just have a lot of data readily available, so much so people are overwhelmed they just tune it all out. We can spend a lot of time wondering why people vote the way they do but if the losing party doesn’t take the time to be retrospective and humble as to why they lost then I can’t blame people for that too much.

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        You’re telling me… There’s multiple issues and reasons in play… At the same time???

        This is getting entirely too complicated for me.

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      They’ve been conditioned for 8 years that any negative thing they read or hear about their leader is “fake news”, and likely their own pride of not wanting to consider the possibility they could be mistaken has made them easy targets for the misinformation machine at Fox News to avoid telling them objective facts to instead pander to their emotions and tell them what opinion they should have. Mass manipulation by biased media.

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      Im sorry, but if Gaza, egg prices, and Harris not havjng a Y chromosome is enough for a magat trifecta, the voters are the problem. Not just the ones who stay home or vote third party, all of them. Americans are whats wrong with America

    • trump may be the iceberg that sinks the ship but people must not forget that it was obama that steered it so expertly there.

      whatever he has done in his eight years to engender such deeply entrenched hatred within the populace – so much that even morons like mr. 47 can exploit it so readily – needs to be studied so that it can be avoided in the future.

      • Obama didn’t start Fox news bro. Obama didn’t defund education and get rid of civics classes. Obama didn’t cut taxes on the billionaire class and corporations. Obama didn’t sell those same billionaires and conglomerates the major news outlets. The voting population in America only know what they’re told because they’re never taught to think critically. Look at the rise of disinformation regardless of political ideology. Look at the rise in scams.

        • you’re mixing up trump’s eventual misdeeds with the fact that the usa has undergone a massive transformation towards the right under the eight years of obama.

          i’m talking about the seeds which were sown, you’re talking about the harvest which followed. these are two separate things.

          each of your assertions have flourished under the manure of the obama tenure – even if they didn’t happen during his presidency.

          but, sure. live in denial and give him a pass. just don’t moan when history repeats itself. as a non-american, it’s no skin off my back.

          • So Reagan’s two terms and his VPs term had nothing to do with it? The creation of the CNN 24 hour news cycle and the need to fill it had nothing to do with it? Decades of attacking public school budgets had nothing to do with that? Why the focus on Obama? These problems started 30 years before he was elected.

    • @Tattorack@lemmy.world
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      I’m blaming voters. 100 million people can be all dumb, and the results of this election is the definitive proof of that.

      If people in America were actually smart, actually cared, and actually knew more than the the colour of their front lawn, they’d have voted Green.