• .Donuts
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    . “This outcome is not based on the merits or strength of the case against the defendant.”

    We know, but we also know that Trump and his sycophants will use the argument that Trump “won” and it was baseless, political persecution, etc.

    • snooggums
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      171 day ago

      The not prosecuting a sitting president is a shitty policy written to avoid baseless lawsuits and applied to help fascists rise to power.

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        Its a practical issue. Sure, you can can throw the president in jail. But they are still president. They can totally call the military to break them out.

        • snooggums
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          51 day ago

          The military and the secret service gave oaths the the constitution, not DOJ policy. In a functioning democracy they would force the president to surrender and to show up to court.

    • @tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
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      The way I see this, they are stopping the proceedings so Trump’s AG won’t be able to end them officially, so they might be able to resume in four years.

    • Why are you afraid to admit trump won? Can you still not see democrats lost the election? They were the ones we put our faith in and they came up short, again.

      Let’s be clear here. The blame doesn’t go to the campaign. The blame doesn’t go to the voters. The blame is squarely on leadership for not leading. Which leadership? Any one with D after their name that wasn’t on the streets raising hell the last 4 years. Anyone with a D after their name who cashed their government funded check and never thought about how most Americans make fractions what they do and they can barely get by.

      No this is a top down failure. The party wants so badly wants to be the GOP they will settle for letting the GOP win.

  • @antihumanitarian@lemmy.world
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    3819 hours ago

    Key detail: they’re not dropping it because they’re giving up, the judge dismissed it without prejudice, which means that in 4 years they can pick the case back up. Under a Trump DoJ the case would likely have ended with prejudice, closing it permanently.

      • @enbyecho@lemmy.world
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        47 hours ago

        He can’t himself since it’s spelled out in the constitution in the 22nd amendment.

        So tl;dr it would need 3/4 of the states to repeal that. More detail than that, but that’s what it boils down to.

          • @enbyecho@lemmy.world
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            14 hours ago

            You are speculating that SCOTUS will let some challenge slide. But it’s the constitution and SCOTUS doesn’t get to change what it says just because they are corrupt.

            “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice”

            Seems pretty crystal clear.

            • @invalid_name@lemm.ee
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              23 hours ago

              Laws are not magic spells, and all the people who enforce them are his creatures.

              Just because we use the same rules for our violently enforced traditions of hierarchy and the physical constants of reality does not mean they’re actually the same thing.

              • @enbyecho@lemmy.world
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                Laws are not magic spells, and all the people who enforce them are his creatures.

                Demonstrably not.

                Just because we use the same rules for our violently enforced traditions of hierarchy and the physical constants of reality does not mean they’re actually the same thing.

                You are either 14 and very profound or a newly-minted graduate student. 'Cause I have no idea what you are trying to say.

                • @invalid_name@lemm.ee
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                  He cannot create something from nothing. He cannot act without an equal and opposite reaction. He cannot exceed the ideal speed of unimpeded light. He cannot be smaller than the Planck length. Try as he might; it simply cannot be done.

                  A person has to actively to stop him from doing all the rape murder and genocide his shitty little chest void desires. Nobody has. Are you going to?

                  I’m saying calling both these categories ‘laws’ is misleading.

        • @ahal@lemmy.ca
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          I really hope that’s the case. But if there’s one thing I’ve learnt, it’s that Trump can seemingly do whatever the fuck he wants.

          • @enbyecho@lemmy.world
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            I really hope that’s the case

            It is. It’s in the constitution and barring civil war and a military take over of the government that amendment is not going away.

            But if there’s one thing I’ve learnt, it’s that Trump can seemingly do whatever the fuck he wants.

            Actually he can’t. He most definitely can bloviate and spew whatever the fuck he wants, but when it comes to actually doing I think his track record is quite poor. For the most part he counts on toadies to fall in line and do his bidding, mainly so they can take the blame if it goes south. That he will be term limited is, IMO, the saving grace for those useful idiots - they know they can get rid of him and they only need to kiss his ass another 4 years.

        • @invalid_name@lemm.ee
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          he can’t

          Why not? He couldn’t steal an election attemot a violent coup or bankrupt a casino either.

          Who’s gonna stop him?

          • @enbyecho@lemmy.world
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            13 hours ago

            Who’s gonna stop him?

            1. All the states who are blue and/or prefer to not have a bumbling 82 year old wannabe dictator as president for a 3rd term.
            2. All the congress critters not living in MAGA-stan who value getting re-elected.
    • @invalid_name@lemm.ee
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      Always was.

      Well, community and restorative, but our society still sees those as equally/more objectionable than vigilante.

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      Vigilante Justice isn’t really justice tho.

      He’s just gonna get famous for getting “Assassinated”.

      He needs to rot in prison and die there so his name is tainted forever.

      • @invalid_name@lemm.ee
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        The system is not your friend. Its goal is the preservation of power and stratification of society. Thats what it does, thats what its for.

        Right now, he’s power, and stratifying admirably. The courts and their bloody enforcers belong to him, or people like him.

  • m-p{3}
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    At least it’s a dismissal without prejudice which leaves the door open for charges to be brought back once Trump is no longer in office and as long as the statute of limitation hasn’t run out.

    • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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      You know how the courts love putting rich old white dudes behind bars, right?

      Assuming of course we don’t end up with a Republican dictatorship after this presidency, then it’s all meaningless anyway.

    • @nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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      Who’s going to revive a 10 year old political case against an 83 year old that’s retiring from politics? In the US?

    • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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      leaves the door open for charges to be brought back once Trump is no longer in office

      Assuming his lard-ass lives that long.

    • @undercrust@lemmy.ca
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      A glimmer of hope, but at least, of the extremely limited options, this one leaves a shred of hope behind.

      Still fucking awful and a complete condemnation of the justice system in the US, but POC in the States have known that for years, now it’s just whitey getting shown how fucking biased it is to privilege and wealth.

    • @neidu3@sh.itjust.works
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      I can’t say I’m feeling overly optimistic about anything worthwhile happening with this case after 9 years, when they failed to move forward in nearly 5

      • m-p{3}
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        He cannot pardon himself on a dismissed case.

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          He could. The president can pardon any federal crimes that’s already committed except in cases of impeachment. Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon even tho he was never charged with crimes. Now the constitution never explicitely said they can pardom themselves, but maybe the supreme court would let him.

        • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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          Again, who is going to stop him? The presidential pardon is wide reaching, and no one has ever tried to pardon themselves before so there’s no legal precedent. You think this supreme court is gonna stop him?

          Also, he absolutely can pardon for something that was dismissed. Nixon got pardoned for something he was never even charged with.

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            Fun mental excersise:

            Even if the president can’t pardon themself. They could just temporarily declare themselves inable to perform the powers and duties of the presidency, then the VP becomes Acting President, and the VP as Acting President can pardon the President. Voila, its not a self-pardon.

            Shenaigans… Shenanigans…

  • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    I mean, we all saw this coming.

    It still feels weird that you can’t jail someone in 4 years even if you prove they are guilty.

    Americans should be rioting in the streets, let him serve from jail.

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      Liberals fundamentally can’t do anything about this. Not even if they cared. Which they do not.

      No amount if proof matters, because the liberal horizon of action does not include any remedy to this problem. Like asking your homeopath to treat a gun shot wound.

    • JackFrostNCola
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      I dont think you understand the situation.
      The DOJ cannot try a sitting president as matter of policy. If he continued the trial against policy then there is a good chance more judge delays and stays push it out until trump is president and he makes it go away, especially if he gets it dismissed with prejudice. If he drops it now it has the chance to be re-tried again when trump peacefully gives up power leaves office in 4 years time.

      Legal eagle on youtube did a whole video explaining the situation in depth if you want a qualified explanation.

  • Arghblarg
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    Well, if there was any doubt there is one law for the rich & well connected, and an entirely different law for the ‘plebes’, this put that deep in the ground…

    Someone should go rip that blindfold off of any ‘Blind Justice’ statues, it is just gaslighting at this point.

    • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)
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      This is Smith seeing his hands tied because Trump ran out the clock and then enough assholes put him back in office where the Supreme Court and DOJ policy blocks him from being prosecuted for [at least] the next 4 years. It also states that come January 2029 he can refile charges on a then dementia ravaged 82 year old man.

        • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)
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          Likely not, but what other choice is there? The best bet at this time is to hope we can wrestle the presidency back from Trump in 2028, and in January 2029 if he has enough mental awareness to legally stand trial then the DOJ can recharge and try him.