• @gibmiser@lemmy.world
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    3514 days ago

    I do believe it would be a tactical error on their part to give him the death penalty… make a real martyr

  • ObjectivityIncarnate
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    314 days ago

    Doesn’t make sense to compare a rate of an outcome (without even knowing how often that outcome was sought) with an individual attempt whose outcome is not even known yet.

    When Mangione IS actually given the death penalty, this ‘argument’ will actually amount to something. Dumb until then.

    • granolabar
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      614 days ago

      He spoke the truth but most of us were too young to understand but how did boomers miss these money shots.

      They were the audience

      • @gibmiser@lemmy.world
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        514 days ago

        Haha funny man is funny. Ooo my 401k is growing, line go up. What’s on TV?

        Not that it would have made a difference but as far as I know there was no call to action from Carlin. Without that many people just say yup, that’s life, and keep their head down.

  • @WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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    8914 days ago

    The state of New York is about to get a firsthand lesson in the Streisand Effect. They should have just charged him the same charge any normal killer would get - Second Degree Murder, which is the normal charge for premeditated murder in NY. First degree requires rare special circumstances, and the prosecutor chose to use a dubious “terrorism” modifier to up the charge to Murder 1. They just couldn’t help themselves, and they shot themselves in the foot.

    The advantage to the prosecution to a simple Murder 2 charge is that motive really doesn’t matter much. They just have to prove that Luigi pulled the trigger. But with the terrorism modifier, the trial will no devolve into lengthy discussions about his motives and message. Not only have they now given him the world’s largest soapbox, but this will also give the defense an opportunity to make him much more sympathetic to the jury. With only a Murder 2 charge, the defense lawyer would have had to fight hard to sneak subtle hints into trial about Luigi’s motives. Now his motives will be a core part of the prosecution’s case.

    With a simple Murder 2 trial, even jurors who thought Thompson got what he deserved could vote to convict based simply on the letter of the law. Luigi killed an evil man, but he still has to face the consequences like any other criminal. Now the jury will clearly see that the system isn’t treating him like any other criminal. The prosecutors, through their own actions, are making Luigi’s case for him - the justice system is completely rigged in favor of the rich and powerful, and the only way they can ever be held accountable is through violence.

    All it takes is one juror of twelve to look around at the situation and say, “this is bullshit. I’m not going to convict.” Sure, they can try him again with a new jury if he’s not found unanimously not-guilty, but that jury will have an even greater risk of jury nullification. The longer this goes on, the more likely the prosecutor just has to offer him some sweetheart plea deal just to get him convicted of something. And each trial just elevates Mangione that much closer to literal Sainthood in the popular imagination.

  • @Hlodwig@lemmy.world
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    314 days ago

    FFS, it’s not even him, people need to stop accepting he is the killer. He is not, news made sure that pics from the killing footage were buried so people would forgot them, because when you compare them with Luigi, its obviously NOT him… And there is no doubt here, killer is smaller, whiter (like Irish white), slim eyebrows, and less muscle body shape than Luigi.

    Why do people try to make him a martyr, when it is not even the killer.

  • @GiddyGap@lemm.ee
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    815 days ago

    And now that Republicans are set to have the Presidency, Congress and SCOTUS all at the same time, there doesn’t seem to be any barriers left.

    Abolish capital punishment!

  • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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    5314 days ago

    The comparison is definitely stupid because this guy planned the whole thing! Its not like he accidentally started a rebellion in an accidentally treasonous way while trying to steal the office of a high government official. Everyone knows the punishment for that is …another 4 years of government.

    • @strawberrysocial@lemmy.world
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      614 days ago

      I might be confused by your comment and not understanding it properly so excuse me if I’m just not understanding right.

      Are you saying that all the school shooters in America did not actively plan to kill all of those children and/or teenagers?
      School shooters took a gun to a school and started open firing on children who were no threat and never even had a chance to grow up and hurt anyone.

      This guy planned it out, killing one adult who was responsible for the deaths of a lot of fellow Americans while he got richer and richer from their suffering and deaths.

      • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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        113 days ago

        I believe the term you are looking for is a type of ruzzian chasm. A casm from the czar himself. Some would come to call it czarcasm but it wouldn’t be until 1927 when a group of Mexican explorers traveling past the Rio grand to visit their cousins in California… Nevermind the story, I was being sarcastic.

      • @thepreciousboar@lemm.ee
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        112 days ago

        He was ironicly making a comparison with Trump, convicted of serious crimes but still being elected president

  • granolabar
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    214 days ago

    I love bow this meme gets fact checked and the thesis get tighter.

    Brian Thompson is a parasite, no empathy for them

  • @jaybone@lemmy.world
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    614 days ago

    Maybe they should charge his parents too, like they did with some other school shooters. But wait, his parents are rich and the other ones lived in trailer parks.

    • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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      914 days ago

      He’s an adult. Parents get charged when they don’t properly secure their firearms from their minor child, which isn’t what is being alleged here. It’s not really comparable.

    • granolabar
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      214 days ago

      He is old enough to have to buy his own health insurance lol

    • granolabar
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      914 days ago

      Protests within US are limited to major cities otherwise logistics are fucked due to suburb lay out of the most of the country.

      Also, most of are just too docile, it ain’t an issue I til they personally get fucked.

      • @Crikeste@lemm.ee
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        714 days ago

        That’s their point: America never does anything. People love to act like they stand for something, but cower at the slightest consequence or inconvenience.

        • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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          114 days ago

          Yes but they need all those guns if the government oversteps. Well corporations have overstepped and been stealing our money for decades and nothing happens. By dteeling I mean our wages are stagnent but c suite have increased immensely.

        • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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          314 days ago

          Last time we had a major protest in the city of Chicago, 24 people died. That’s a little more than “the slightest consequence or inconvenience”

          Luigi’s protest was way more efficient. Only one person has died.

          • granolabar
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            114 days ago

            And the weirdly most people under 40 are in clear alignment for weeks now lol

    • @JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
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      314 days ago

      We would, but most of us are too unhealthy from lack of access to affordable healthcare and can lose our jobs if we try to take time off work.

      Tinfoil hat time. Our government fucking hates our asses. Lower class? Get shot, die from preventable diseases, whatever, just do it quietly so it doesn’t bother the wealthy while they grease each other’s palms.

    • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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      214 days ago

      When we have protests large enough to get noticed, we get attacked by the police. Why should the protesters have to suffer? Make the oppressors suffer instead.

    • @Maiq@lemy.lol
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      1214 days ago

      We have the Russian “and then it got worse” do nothing attitude. We aren’t even gonna try to do anything till its far too late.

  • @Omgboom@lemmy.zip
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    214 days ago

    This you shall offer in the morning and this you shall offer at twilight, a lamb without blemish.