Summary
Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.
“Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East”
How the FUCK would you hope for that? Have you been living under a rock and didn’t know who Trump actually is and what he does? The Muslim ban Trump? That Trump? Bringing peace to the Middle East? Seriously?
The American electorate is stunningly stupid and disconnected from reality. Look up some of the trending Google searches on election day, they’re stupider than you think
Like the ones confused that Biden wasn’t an option.
decades of dismantling the education system will do that to you…
This is a bullshit excuse. The average America receives a very well rounded education. They choose not to use it.
By what metric? We’re behind most other developed nations.
Devotion to religion is also a red flag for inability to think critically. Being conditioned not to think for yourself is a tenant of all religions. The more fundamental the less thought is happening. Trump and the republicans have realized this and used it to his advantage almost exclusively.
Yes: the guy who banned Muslims from entering the US on his previous term will end the war and bring peace to the Middle East.
monkey’s paw curls
palestinians are thoroughly genocided and Gaza + West Bank + other lebensraum in the area have all structures reduced to grade #7 gravel
That is also technically peace, in that there is no more fighting. It’s just a really bad one.
Truly, the gullibility of some people simply beggars belief.
Yeah, his vision of peace was Israel getting rid of anyone who they don’t have good relationship with.
Wait wait, I remember a guy who was constantly arguing and berating everyone about how Biden was just the worst Satan reincarnation or some shit and how we all needed to band together against both him and Harris. Oooh @HomerianSymphony , you still around, bud?
We’d like an interview.
Looks like that user no longer exists, at least on Lemmy.world
From what I see the user went to Bluesky, but we don’t know if he really did it or if his account was suspended.
What did sticking with genocide Joe and Kamala get you? They knew they were gonna lose and didn’t change course 1 bit
You sure aren’t living up to that name with comments like that.
Look, it wasn’t about Biden or Harris or Obama or whomever else you want to project your shitty little excuses on. This cycle was about stopping a then would-be dictator. We were trying to do right by the world. Not by you. Not by the MAGA cultists. Not by Gaza or Ukraine alone. For everyone through stopping someone who had made it clear he, and through the agreement and support of the GOP, would do worse.
Then you single issue idiotic disappointments wouldn’t wake the fuck up. Yes, the Dems fucked up. Harris started strong and some snob Left probably ancient “strategist” convinced her to shift gears and she toned it down, along with other bad choices. It was shit. You know what I can die knowing I did?
Not voting someone who might actually be fucking evil BACK into the Office of the Biggest God Damn Chair we have. So kiss my ass, Schwdinehund, at least we tried to stop what’s coming.
Biden had no chance of winning. Kamala had no chance of winning. Their campaigns knew that.
If stopping a would be dictator is so important they would run someone with a chance. The Democratic party is dead, sticking with it means you want to lose
Sticking with it wasn’t a choice. You seem to believe taking our current situation and just rolling that shit back is a time machine we have the capacity of producing. There was no other candidate and we knew that. Unless you have a realistic suggestion that would have worked at the time.
We’re listening.
Biden put his ego over country and stayed in the race because he didn’t care if Trump won. Kamala accepted the nomination even though her team knew she couldn’t win because she didn’t care if Trump won. The Democrats don’t care if they lose, supporting them means you don’t care if you lose which means you don’t really care about stopping the would-be dictator.
Okay, at the risk of being censored: You’re actually being stupid.
We do NOT support the current Democrats, nor the party, nor their way of doing things. We supported trying to make sure Trump did not get a second term by standing beside the only candidate(s) that had a chance because there wasn’t anyone else. So stop for a second and think because it’s clear you’re a single issue voter: You can’t stop repeating the same faulty freaking logic.
Then is not now.
Then does not mean we supported them.
We wanted a better world. Days where we don’t have to worry so much. We support Gaza and Ukraine.
If this and much, much more means supporting the opponent of a would-be dictator, then we fucking do so. That’s the difference. WE SAW THE BIGGER PICTURE and did what we had to do.
It was what had to be done. The Dems fucked up their messaging. However, people like you chose to fuck our home and possibly the world to greater and lesser degrees because you stand so damned fucking stalwart it’s like trying to convince a brick wall to fall over with kind words of encouragement. If I live through these next four years I hope to be a part of the team that writes the history books. If I am I’ll make sure to cite people like you, @MisterScruffy , for your contribution towards tyranny and dictatorship.
And for the record: Yes, I’m pissed. Not at you, you’re dumb. At what brought us to this point.
He just tried to start a war with Iran, NBD.
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I have zero sympathy for those who only regret their vote for Trump now that his policies - which were always obvious - come back to haunt them personally.
HE SAID HE WAS GONNA
AND I DIDN’T THINK HE’D ACTUALLY
Trump’s word and actions rarely line up, he isn’t right in the head enough to know what he’s doing, but if he thinks it helps Trump he will.
And yet he spent a whole lot of effort blocking totally not Muslims from immigrating. Why would you not take him seriously when he said Israel should finish the job?
Oh no I absolutely believe Mr. “Muslims need to wear special IDs” says the truth when he threatens to kill Arabs.
So did Harris.
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
😂🫵
Well, when you completely crush a region, what comes after could be called peace, I guess.
Y’know, you’ve got a point…
🤡
I’m not disagreeing that leopards face an obesity epidemic but it’s also very interesting that to r image you posted has a “紅星新聞” (Chinese) or “Red Star News” watermark.
It’s all the faces they’ve been eating, they’re having a banger year of it apparently
Bryarr Misner, who worked as a campaign manager for the Abandon Harris campaign in Pittsburgh, admitted they voted for Trump, with NBC reporting, “He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders.”
This is a person that was only ever going to vote for trump. Dipshits up and down.
I mean Trump said what he has to say about Gaza. He supports Israel. This was before the election too. They have no excuse.
I would really love to be in the room with these idiots the moment they hear that Trump has signed the law that will arm Israel to the teeth and sanction them to exterminate every Muslim in Gaza. I want to see the terror and regret in their faces. Because this is what they have wrought.
But Kamala Harris had Liz Cheney on stage with her that one time!!!/s
Honestly that’s a whole other problem. The Democrats need to fucking stop courting the “moderate conservatives”. Those fucks will N E V E R vote for a Democrat over a Republican. No matter how godawful they are.
I can watch an action movie, or I can watch a drama that has a little bit of action added to appeal to action movie fans… Why the hell would I choose the latter?
Gotcha, so the solution to that problem is putting the Republican in the White House anyway. I’m sure Dems sure showed them!
Wow imagine if the whitehouse continued to arm israel and give them a greenlight for ongoing genocide. What a terrible world that awaits us in 2023-present
I mean, I’m assuming you also hope he doesn’t do that because you care about and value the welfare of Palestinians, right?
I get this is your imaginary “i told you so” moment, but can you try not to sound positively giddy about it.
Also, have to do the obvious and point out that the IDF has been armed to the teeth and already exterminating the population of Gaza for over a year now. They shot 5 journalists and 5 doctors yesterday. The homeland of the Palestinians is all but entirely destroyed, comparable to damage on the scale of nuclear weapons. Their homes are gone. Their land is stolen. They are starving to death in droves. The rest are being rounded up and shot en mass. The current administration is arming the IDF, funding the IDF, and preventing the world from intervening to save Palestine.
This isn’t a wish fulfillment. This is inevitability because Trump isn’t going to hold back. Harris might have toed the party line because the Democratic party is just as leashed to AIPAC as the Republicans but at least they were making an attempt to stop Israel. Trump has said that he will give them everything they need to wipe out everyone in Gaza. This isn’t about “I told you so” it’s about accountability. The moment the country voted Trump in Israel began just ignoring Biden’s pleas to end the carnage because they knew that on January 20th they will have all the support they need.
Meh, of course we wish and hope he doesn’t, but everyone knows that he will. He’s repeatedly said so.
It’s an extremely real and tangible “I told you so” moment for myself and everyone else who repeatedly and vainly told people like this over months that this would happen. Because of course it would. The best possible chance we had was to elect Harris and hope that the rumblings about her being much more forcefully against it in private turned out to be true, because no 3rd party candidate stood a farts chance of winning, and Trump explicitly campaigned on acceleration.
Harris campaigned on acceleration too. She’s been explicitly in favor of giving Israel whatever they want the entire time. They blocked Palestinians from talking at the DNC. They keep blocking any UN resolutions demanding ceasefire. There are no rumblings. Trump won’t need to do anything. Gaza is already destroyed. The genocide has been in full force for over a year. Joe Biden made this genocide. He protected it, sheltered the genociders from intervention. Gave them all the guns and money in the world.
It’s an imaginary “I told you so”. The people you ranted at before the election were not the Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for Harris. They weren’t on Lemmy. I still agree with them. I wouldn’t vote for someone who was committing acts of genocide against my family, either. Harm reduction means nothing if my whole family is dead. It means nothing if my culture is gone.
The American government don’t give a shit about Palestine. None of them. Republicans, democrats, united in their support of Israel. Palestine is done. It’s been done. It’s a smoldering pile of ruins full of starving orphan children and IDF soldiers taking pot shots at them for fun. They’re murdering journalists and doctors on a daily basis. The damage is so widespread, so thorough that it is incomparable. Whole cities gone. Fully dissapeared. This is present day. This is now. This is all with Biden in power.
No, there is no “I told you so.” Kamala was not going to stop the genocide. She never once gave any suggestion that she would ever withhold support of Israel. She said many times that she would always support Israel no matter what. This is an all American genocide. Republican and Democrat ruling factions are both unequivocally in support of it. You’re not paying attention if you genuinely believe otherwise.
voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East
what
I guess you could argue that total eradication of anyone that Israel hates will bring peace so they were sorta right
Like bringing balance to the force by murdering all the Jedi. Technically correct
No no no,they saved Palestine, remember?
Now that the Dems aren’t in control all those Palestinians are perfectly safe.
Right, tankies? That’s all you were screeching about back in November. Now it’s cricket chirps, like Palestine even mattered to you lot. Disgusting.
I love how you are being downvoted without anyone actually providing a counter point. Because you are absolutely right.
Leading up to the election lemmy was flooded with Palestine bullshit and Genocide Joe, and people that suggested it’s a war started by fucking Israel and you should be boycotting them were downvoted.
A lot of people here got swept up in the propaganda, and it was painful to see how dumb my side can be, but here we are.
Orange man is coming and suddenly no-one is posting about Palestine and every thread I’m in doesn’t have people screeching genocide Joe.
I’m fully convinced lemmy was flooded with foreign assets spreading bullshit and hurting democratic turnout.
It’s painful to see how effective it was, an an issue so ridiculous I couldn’t have believed it if it was in a book. Country X, with president Y attacks Z, and idiots here are screaming at county U with president J…
It wasn’t just Lemmy, I know otherwise reasonably intelligent people who became literally brainwashed from TikTok. We’re talking far left, never Trumper’s, knew he was an existential threat, but couldn’t have their moral superiority tarnished and HAD to vote 3rd party. They bought into that propaganda hook, line and sinker.
There has been a recurring argument (not mine, heaven forbid) both prior to and in the aftermath of the election that not voting for the dems would show them that they can’t keep running away to the right and still expect to win. It would teach them a lesson.
It baffles me that they think a) the Dems would actually learn the lesson, b) the alternative wouldn’t be that much worse and c) the alternative that quite explicitly aimed to abolish democracy entirely would willingly afford the dems a chance to learn that lesson. If they can’t eliminate democracy itself, they’ll try to neuter and bias it as heavily as possible until they’ve got the same kind of pseudo-democratic one-party fuckery that you see in other countries like… China, North Korea, Russia, Belarus…
Huh, that’s funny, seems like all the countries whose boots they’re so eager to lick. I’m sure that’s coincidence, right?
Actually, that’s a lie. I don’t believe it’s coincidence at all. I think it’s part of a deceitful strategy to undermine democracy through spreading willful ignorance and channeling voter frustration and disillusionment into frustration with democracy itself. Hell, there are even people claiming that a dictatorship is a necessity of revolution, that you can’t build a new and better system without placing someone in charge of building it - because that worked out so fucking well with the other communist revolutions, right?
Every single fucker who gargles dictator cock under the guise of “communism” and “leftism” is an authoritarian, a traitor against the people they feign class solidarity with. You don’t save democracy by not participating. You don’t hold politicians accountable by supporting their opponents.
And that’s being charitable and assuming they’re just misguided, not intentionally malicious foreign actors.
well said
I’m not from the US but I know that I would really struggle morally to cast a vote for either party.
Yes, voting for Trump because of Palestine is stupid, but I can easily see how voting for the party that keeps sending money and weapons, and supporting them in the UN, while pretending to ask them to “be more careful about killing civilians”, would not be very desirable either.
The US electoral system is absolute dogshit, but in my opinion the Dems lost this election all by themselves.
Edit: are the downvotes because you disagree, or because you’re upset that I’m right?
Way to go assholes. You fucked around and now we all get to find out.
The leopards are looking mighty hungry.
Show me a trump voter who is not a wealthy white male and I’ll show you an idiot.
Why exclude the wealthy white males?
Because they might just be selfish and evil.
Mainly because they are members of the class of people that will benefit, directly and indirectly, from a Trump presidency.
Knowing this, they aren’t stupid for voting for the person who will enable the gross accumulation of wealth through the systematic deregulation of industries and privatization of government services. There’s one group of people who will benefit from this: the wealthy (who are disproportionately white and male).
The idiots are people who voted for Trump thinking that his administration will result in a net positive for them socially and economically.
Voting against your interests is dumb; voting inline with your interests is not.
The only white males that will benefit from a trump presidency are billionaires. Anyone else isn’t voting inline with their best interests
… so you might say, wealthy white males.
Not really, “wealthy white males” is a group that could contain millions of people. In no context does “wealthy white males” exclusively mean billionaires.
I think that’s what they meant by wealthy
Just pointing out that the richest man in the US is an African illegal immigrant.
Well, this is all very fucking stupid. WHAT THE FUCK did they think was going to be the outcome? Did they really think donvict was going to be better here?
They were caught up in the moment and fell into the trap of thinking the current moment will last indefinitely.
Leopard, meet face.
