chaotic good? ladybird? the browser by devs that refuse to use your pronouns?
Oh what the fuck, dev came off like a fucking ass to a minor suggestion.
Old news - fix is already in production Proof
Please check your sources :)
The fact that someone else fixed the issue doesn’t really excuse the absolutely unacceptable original response to a very reasonable request.
I’m much more interested in seeing an apology, or any sort of indication that the dev understands how disrespectful they were.
Lmao, a weird choice of a hill to die on. Although, given I’ve seen ppl refer to a user account as “he” exactly 0 times before that, I suspect the dev may speak smth like French natively, where everything is either male or female.
That said, i’d rather use “it” instead of “they”, given an account (and anon one at that) is not a person.
I’m fairly certain the main dev is swedish
Huh, checked out their noun genders, and those are quite interesting: 2 genders, but common and neuter instead of masculine and feminine. So out goes that theory
Imagine explaining gendering to a person used to ise a language where it isn’t existing 🤔 of course, it seems unnecessary for that person
Or have I understood that wrong?
Hungarian language for example is completly genderless. 2 pronouns are used: ő (person, more intelligent animals), ez/az (depending on the first letter) (objects, less intelligent animals)
🤯this is awesome
Not exactly. In English, stuff that’s not a person is of neutral gender, i.e. just “it” (unless the speaker has an affection towards it, then it’s usually a “she”). In other languages stuff also has “genders”, like “la chambre” (the French* for “a room”) is a “she”.
So, my initial guess was that the dev natively speaks some language, where a user is a “he”, and ppl don’t have a concept of a neutral gender. But in case of Swedish
there are 2 variants of “it” for things[edit: there’s “it” and “they”], so it seems incorrect.* I’m using French instead of, for example, Russian here due to it not having a neutral gender, while Russian has “it” and something akin to “they” (like “задира”, the Russian for a bully). Although, I may be wrong here, since I’ve started learning French quite recently, and may’ve missed smth.
Thank you very much for explaining 😃 I understand it now.
Foss community is so insufferable and toxic
can you be more specific about what part of the community is toxic?
Like the comment I replied to. I understand calling people out but that is such an irrelevant topic to the discussion.
It’s not always sunshine and rainbows but I don’t see the need to whine about every little thing.
Also note that I’m being fair here. Majority people who are not into foss simply avoid it because of how often they see people bitching about said foss products. It’s just not a good look.
I mean I understand why you feel that way but if someone were to refer to me as a woman, as a cis guy I would take it as a sign of disrespect, so I feel more obliged to take the side of the people who are complaining. I feel it is somewhat relevant considering one of the projects mentioned is developed by the people in the link.
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Not always. In fact, 90% of it is mostly nice
+it is basically unusable yet
I’m gonna need some names because I only recognize like, two.
Going from lawful to chaotic, good to evil, we have:
- Gecko (Firefox, Seamonkey, and derivatives)
- Servo
- Libweb (Ladybird)
- Links2 (as well as ELinks and other forks)
- WebKit (used in a lot of stuff, namely Safari and GNOME Web)
- Goanna (Pale Moon and Basilisk)
- QtWebEngine (Konqueror, Falkon, and qutebrowser)
- Blink (Chromium, Brave, and derivatives)
- Trident (Internet Explorer, old versions of Maxthon, old versions of Avant, and any homemade browser created with Visual Studio).
(until they get a new lead dev, Ladybird is definitely not any type of “Good”)
100%, this is either uninformed or some apologia
What’s going on? I’ve seen this new browser engine referenced recently a decent bit but I have no info beyond ‘it’s new and exists’.
the lead dev is a freeze peach absolutist. he’s said some ignorant shit about trans people and when people said “hey, let’s adjust this language” he was like “let’s not get political”
That’s unfortunate :(
Is this really the hill you want to die on and rather have a Chromium monopoly?
the ladybird dev wants to work with people who want me dead. so. yeah, fuck him. mozilla ain’t great, but they’re the least dangerous engine builders right now. servo would be a better engine for us to rally around, but everyone would rather talk about the less mature, more fascist accepting, project.
nazis are bad. that’s the hill i’m willing to die on. this is bigger than a browser engine.
Mozilla has existed for over 20 years and Chromium still has a monopoly.
Yes, basic respect for people is far more important than any web browser
(The engine itself is fine though)
Where does Dillo fit into this?
Its got cookies disabled by default, no support for JavaScript, and only partial support for CSS. Just as god intended.
Same box as Links, I think; or maybe the same box as Servo or Ladybird would fit better…
Huh, I didn’t know MSHTML as used in IE was also called Trident. I thought Trident was specifically early Edge before they switched to Blink.
The Edge engine before Blink was called “EdgeHTML”.
Is there any Servo-based browser? If not, it should be called Serval.
Usually a Firefox guy but gonna give GNOME web an install for shiggles since I remember safari being fun to play with back in my teenage “hacker” days.
Also a quick cliff notes on what each is would be greatly appreciated
I only recognize the Chromium icon…
These are browser engines, or at least software for rendering HTML but not necessarily the actual browser. I don’t know them all, but top left, Gecko, is the engine for Mozilla, center is Web Kit for Safari, bottom center is Chromium for Chrome, Brave, Edge, etc., and bottom right is Trident, the old engine for Microsoft Internet Explorer.
what’s the difference between the engine and the browser itself? is it similar to the Linux kernel vs the Debian user space?
The engine makes it so HTML, CSS, JavaScript etc. are downloaded and turned into pixels you can look at. The browser embeds an engine for that purpose, but then also has a URL bar, tabs, bookmarks, a history feature and so on.
Pretty much.
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These are browser engines, or at least software for rendering HTML but not necessarily the actual browser.
That’s why this post makes no sense. There’s no “evil” rendering engine. They should be judged by technical parameters.
links2 is middle right: it turns a terminal into a web browser
Why is QtWebEngine considered evil?
It’s effectively Chromium.
It’s the other way around. KHTML begat WebKit and Blink, then we got QtWeb.
Wdym chromium is open-source
Blink has the dominant market share, though, and by a long way. It’s almost a monoculture.
Gecko has almost as big share
Idk man:
Why tf do people even use Samsung Internet browser?
Samsung is the leading brand of Android phone, and Samsung Internet is the default.
To be honest, it works decently and, according to Privacy Tests, it’s got decent fingerprinting resistance.
Isn’t it chrome based?
Chrome and Chromium are two very different things.
I know.
I didn’t know that
It has much less features than Gecko or Blink
I guess thats a shame, but not evil
khtml deserves to be in the gift to humanity category
I’m not sure I have a lot of faith in Servo but we are in need of anything better than Gecko. Ladybird is the new one on the block and we will see if it goes anywhere. I like that Ladybird it’s own web browser.
Same cause nowadays you have to rely on a for profit company for your browser engine.
I don’t have any issue as long as there are options and the company isn’t actively hostile.
true, if it was a company like suse,redhat who was for-profit and had a good browser engine then sure if its like google then maybe but for-profit companies are known to be problematic.
I think the key thing is to have checks and balances and or incentives so that a browser doesn’t become just a tool to sell stuff. For instance, I hear the Mullvad browser is pretty good. It isn’t independent for obvious reasons but the idea still applies.
alr
SuSE is problematic? As far as I know they released their system administration tools as open source without ever needing to, didn’t they? They’re for profit but seem to drive their profits on services rather selling software, as a good open source denizen. What am I missing?
I mean I was using suse as a example not saying they problematic like redhat (which had some controversy in the past ik)
Ladybird seems almost singularly focused on macOS development. They say that they intend to incrementally move from C++ to Swift
Swift is decent, one of the biggest .net (c#) people gave a talk at godotcon about whay he likes it better than c#
It works cross platform, it’s just developed by apple
Where’s KHTML? The O.G. GOAT.
Well that’s WebKit now
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Webkit as well?
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Nevermind, I misread it and thought you called the code of Ladybird stupid.
Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it’s improving quite quickly.
I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like… seriously?
guilty until proven innocent, for it is better that the innocent are condemed than for a guilty man go free. And should a trial be warranted, it shall be conducted not by jury, but by a tribunal of like-minded individuals.
they’re live the perfect anti-libral.
I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like… seriously?
I actually recently had a discussion about this very issue and came to see it as a case of poor communication, rather than anything mean-spirited on the devs’ part.
Why is ladybird chaotic good when it’s not even out yet
Neither is Servo.
Chaotic good because it’s an entire (almost functional) engine built from scratch, and without any corporate backing.
And is developed by a bad person.
How so? I know literally nothing about ladybird
It’s a little complicated, but it doesn’t look good. If you’re interested, I wrote a comment about it.
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Is there anything one could even install anymore based off of IE’s engine? That’d be a fun one to put on the old beater machine.
Aside from IE? Not much.
Both Blink and Gecko are equally good. Others suck
