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Ah yes. Whataboutism. Suppose a robber acts in defense of a person about to be robbed. That may or may not make them a hypocrite, but it certainly doesn’t make them wrong.
Or would you say it would somehow be more right for the robber to stand back and allow the robbery “because they’re in no position to point fingers”?
One might worry about the motivations behind a murderer who murders another murderer and what that might mean for the original victim.
It’s you that is whatabouting. We could (Read:should) have defended them without robbing their land.
Further to that; it doesn’t excuse the fact that we have never returned the land to them. Bit of a process appreciated, but it would have made the incredibly difficult and moronic brexit process a bit easier.
I’m sorry, but I have literally no idea what you’re talking about. Who’s robbing what land? Are we talking about Ukraine or Ireland?
Because I’m here talking about Ukraine and the UK.
Ukraine, Ireland, Palestine…
This might surprise you, but that didn’t help clearing up anything. If you have an argument to make, make an argument. That way I can either agree with you or retort.
No, I don’t consider listing countries or regions an argument. Denmark, Belgium, French Polynesia. Now you might wonder where I’m going with that, but I’m not going to tell you. I’ll just expect you to read my mind. That’s communication, you see.
I know. I was being a cock. I thought you’d mentioned Ireland, fuck knows how. My comments are null, void, and pointless.
No worries, I wouldn’t dream of holding it against you; if anything, you have my respect for owning up to making a simple mistake, which happens to everybody sooner or later - me very much included. Kudos!
Ive commented elsewhere in the past that the Fediverse is a much more pleasant place, and I’d like to maintain that. Thank you for being pleasant back. Have a great weekend.
Name a nation that hasn’t expanded or died out.
It’s countries doing genocide that bothers me.
If anything it would be more a ‘tu quoque’ fallacy than whataboutism, because the latter tries to shift the attention to an unrelated topic, whereas here it is occupying land both times.
It certainly weakens the criticism, because the robber in your example might do the right thing, but if they really opposed robbing, surely they wouldn’t do it themselves? As you said, it makes them a hypocrite, and makes you question their motive for measuring two cases with a different yardstick.
Sure, but to my mind the question is: How does robber #2 pointing out that robber #1 is himself a robber excuse the actions of robber #2?
OOP smells like a pro-putin propaganda account. Someone else doing something bad doesn’t make your own acts of murder any more justifiable, especially when you’re murdering someone completely different than the wrongdoer.
Depends how far you want to keep going back…English talking about Russia and Ukraine like they don’t still occupy most of Wales
Depends how far you want to keep going back ….English talking about Russia and Ukraine like we don’t still occupy all of Cornwall.
Depends how far you want to keep going back ….Wessex dudes talking about Russia and Ukraine like we don’t still occupy all of Mercia.
Depends how far you want go back, Saruman talking about Minis Tirith, when we still don’t occupy all of Rohan.
They talk shit on every country as if they live in a utopia which is genuinely hilarious
I want to know who thinks we live in a utopia.
Don’t forget the Falklands.
Never heard of them. Maybe you mean the Malvinas.
Quite right you are. So I did.
The Falklands are probably the only recent historical example of colonization that wasn’t immoral, but England should probably give them to Argentina anyway because fuck England.
More of a British thing really. We dragged them all down with us.
Yeah fuck all the people on the island who want to remain part of the UK, and voted to remain. Let’s give the island to Argentina because this guy doesn’t like England.
See? You get it, fuck England
These situations are not comparable in the slightest.
You’re right, what the British have done to the Irish is immeasurably worse.
the french talking about russia and ukraine
If Northern Ireland decided to reunite with the rest of Ireland it would solve so many problems… good luck trying to convince the Northern Irish of that.
The other day I was thinking about tensions that exist in part because of British-drawn borders. Israel-Palestina, India-Pakistan. Can’t believe I forgot NI.
It’s a really complicated situation as far as my understanding goes (I’m British for context). I believe most British would support Irish unification, at least from the people I speak to. But still the majority (or close to) would vote to remain in the UK. Plus it’ll be outrageously expensive a transition for Ireland. I don’t know why this is and would like to know.
It’s not an easy situation, and in my own personal opinion we should be uniting as friends, allies and equals.
As a UK person, I look at Japan as a nation very similar to ours, they’ve successfully united 4 islands (plus many small) much larger than the UK and I’d love to understand how it seems so easy. They had just as many conquering bastards, but everyone is happy being Japanese.
They had just as many conquering bastards, but everyone is happy being Japanese.
you should definitely let the occupied people of Okinawa know that
Do they not want do be Japanese? I have no idea.
No they do not, and Japanese along with Americans continuously commit atrocities against them and poison their water with the outflow from the US military base.
Sorry, I was thinking of Hokkaido although I think both options could educate me. My understanding is that Hokkaido is the crazy northerners. Again apologies for misunderstanding you, I’m terrible at non English words.
Basically, the Ryukyu Islands have been historically an independent with their own distinct culture, and ties to China. They were annexed by Japan in 1879 during the Meiji Restoration, becoming Okinawa Prefecture. This annexation erased their sovereignty and imposed Japanese assimilation policies that suppressed indigenous language and traditions.
After WW2, Okinawa was placed under US military occupation due to its strategic Pacific location, hosting extensive U.S. bases. Today, Okinawa remains burdened with 70% of US military facilities in Japan, linked to environmental damage, accidents, and crimes by personnel.
The modern Ryukyu independence movement emerged from this history of subjugation. Okinawans want to restore their language, traditions, and identity suppressed by Japan. They want to evict US bases from their land, and to become independent from Japan.
That’s a very good summary. Do Okinawans feel closer to other Pacific island nations that to Japan? Also, Pacific islanders are natural rugby players, does Japan get all their players from there? I could look this up, but it feels better to asm questions from someone who’s knowledgeable. And I love rugby.
I read back my comment and realised I didn’t acknowledge you effort enough. Thank you a lot for putting in the time to answer so thoroughly and it means a lot to me.
Also…I can’t figure out how to edit on this app…this seems like anti UK bot posting. Which there is a lot of. Putin is really angry with us apparently.
As it happens you don’t actually have to be a social chauvinist for the country in which you reside.
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The ENGLISH are the occupiers. Scotland and Wales are also occupied.
