As a Canadian, I’m incredibly disappointed in my government for supporting this genocide and settling of stolen land. We’re on the wrong side of history with this.
this genocide and settling of stolen land.
Guess they’re concerned they’d have to look inward a little?
Thing is, Canada has been looking inward. That’s what makes it worse.
They can shut the fuck up about “truth and reconciliation” while simultaneously supporting a modern day indigenous genocide on top of continuing on their own indigenous genocide in secret. I knew they were full of shit after they made the Queen’s day of death a holiday.
It’s so absolutely insane how Canada is happy to tout reconciliation with First Nations people and simultaneously support the genocide of an indigenous people.
That’s just a resistance-numbing effort. In the courts and on the streets they very much continue their genocide at full speed, and judging by how shocked as shit people were at discovering the mass graves and how quickly everyone forgot about it after the initial shock, it’s working.
Disappointed, sure, but I don’t think you should be surprised.
Canada was founded as a country specifically for the purpose of genocide. Virtually the entire country is on settled and stolen land. It would be hypocritical to be against someone else doing the same.
You could say the same about Australia and various Latin America countries, yet they still condemn Israel action.
You’re right, but there’s a reason why Canadians don’t talk about their “founding fathers” the way Americans do.
I don’t know how many other countries are the same way.
The first PM was explicitly racist against indigenous people, and IIRC, the country was explicitly founded on the basis of white supremacy over indigenous peoples.
That’s true for a lot of places, it’s just that Canadians recognize that.
Canada was founded more than 150 years ago. I’m surprised that in that intervening period, nothing has changed.
Generally speaking if Germany votes in favour of this kind of resolution and you against, you done fucked up.
Yeah, why the fuck are we red?!?
Because Canada itself is an apartheid regime, and doesn’t want to set a “wrong” precedent.
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What’s our problem, Canada?
Don’t want to piss off the downstairs neighbours.
Even Europe and Oceania is onboard with this one, though. Don’t they usually abstain at least?
Conservatives push up more to the US than UK
It’s why we can’t get support behind CANZUK
We’re just America’s hat, what do you expect
The yapping dog of American Empire.
Even more than it used to be. Canadian foreign policy regarding Iraq, Vietnam, and Cuba took a very different position to the US and was on the whole quite good (for a western country). But that was all decades ago. Practically speaking, Canada no longer has its own independent foreign policy.
I mean, we’re still friends with Cuba, and never did get involved in Iraq which wasn’t so long ago.
Fuck, Canada you keep embarrassing me recently.
Dude fr idk what our government’s foreign policy goals even are.
Woohoo … Yeah … Canada vo … ???.. What the hell!
Apartheid regimes stick together. Canada did to First Nations what Israel aims to do to Palestinians.
You know it’s bad when even Germany is getting wise to the game
Yet Canada isn’t
To be fair, they had a Nazi in their parliament much more recently than the Germans had
What is Hungary doing, compensating for its stance on Ukraine ?
Owning the EU libs, as Hungary do.
Viktor gets the slush funds from Russia and the spyware from Israel it makes sense for him
Being the thorn in everyone’s eye so everyone keeps paying us
The settlements have always been recognized as illegal, but I guess its good to reaffirm it.
Its a war crime to move a civilian population into a military occupied region. This crime has been ongoing for decades.
Wait the UK voted in favour? Literally just yesterday they were whining about Pro Palestinian marches in London. Then a bunch of right wing fuck nuggets turned up to fight to the pro Palestinian marches, except they turned up in the wrong place and ended up fighting the police instead.
I guess they realise their position is untenable on that point. The general public hate them and they know it.
They are not condemning Israel for the current assault on Gaza. They are condemning Israel for the settlements (which is a blatant war crime that has long been criticized by every country except Israel and the US iirc.
They are condemning Israel for the settlements
The illegal settlements that are one of the contributing factors that led to Hamas growing in support.
It’s becoming impossible to spin this as anything other than a genocide that the west is facilitating at this point.
I’m not sure this has any practical application. 6 years ago it passed 155-7.
Citing it helps people understand the historical context when learning about what’s actually going on there
I guess so, and provides truth in contrast to exclusively hearing a narrative.
@yogthos [looking at Canada all upset]
Canada behind the scenes is 10x more fascist than America could ever hope to be.
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The U.S spends more on military than the next 7 countries combined. It’d put up a good fight. Probably conquer Canada/Mexico in hours (I’d assume they would just concede the same way Paris/France conceded to the Nazis in WW2), and then we’d also have the advantage in Eurasia. We could nuke most of western Europe, and the only country that could really stop us is Russia because they also have a comparable number of nukes. If we successfully disarm them and are the sole nuclear super power in the world, I could see the U.S winning ww3 and becoming a global government.
The next seven countries combined (the next eleven, in fact) are all in green in the above map. #12 is Canada, and every other country is either supporting this resolution or abstaining. The US could well win a third world war but it wouldn’t happen the way you say. Nukes won’t be used in conflicts by nation-states, only (and hopefully not) by rogue groups that get their hands on one. Nukes are a deterrent nowadays rather than a weapon.
I don’t trust that the U.S will always do the right thing with nukes. Maybe you have unwavering faith in the good heart of the imperialist core to never use nukes in conflicts, I’m not as trusting.
Canada is also still under the monarchy so it’s not like we could side with America against the world
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USians stop identifying with those who rule over you Challenge Rating: um ackshully
If we successfully disarm them and are the sole nuclear super power in the world,
Sounds super easy
We need a
but with like a helmet on for people like this
Surprising Australia voted in favour this time
Okay, now what are they going to do about it?
Imagine being in such blatant violation of international law and human decency that China, Japan, and both Good and Capitalist Running Dog Korea can agree that you suck.
It’s pretty hilarious that any person would call the totalitarian, chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized North Korea “the Good Korea”
chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized
i wonder why a country under economic sanction from the US & its allies for decades might have economic trouble. i wonder why they’re rude to the US after the US bombed and murdered their people for 3 years & still occupy the southern half of their country
I mean the US did have talks and if you’re not willing to concede anything that’s on you. Also, military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation.
South Korea is on its FIFTH version of the country because the US continually coups it whenever the existing people aren’t doing exactly what they want. It’s called the Fifth Republic for a fucking reason. It is an occupied vassal state entirely subservient to the USA and has been ever since the US genocided one fifth of the population of Korea (all of Korea). Keep in mind that being on your FIFTH republic is remarkable when the southern dictatorship was only first formed in 1948.
The US military has also literally run korean children over with tanks, which is very funny given that this is fake propaganda levelled at another enemy of the US, but in the case of america it’s actually fucking true.
I had no clue there were several republics kinda like France (I think?), I searched Wikipedia and it said that they are on their 6th republic, not 5th. Maybe you are off by one? Either way it’s a poor mark on the country and its governance.
Ahh yes 6th. Working from memory in most of my responses and without checking I’m pretty bad at dates and numbers tbh. It’s worse with african countries though I am one of the people that mixes up their histories all the time to my great shame. I don’t even know why it happens, I don’t do it with south american countries.
The general point stands, the stability of their government is directly tied to whether or not they’re doing what the americans want. And whenever things aren’t going precisely as desired the coups happen incredibly easily. By design.
I wonder if someone could make a series of movie trailers for each republic with the executive producer being the US and having all sorts of poor takes.
Executive Producer: “No, no, we need LESS military oversight for the next one, SPEND MORE on practical explosions, the audience will love it!”
Director: “But sir, we already had half an hour of explosions, the most common criticism was about the confusing plot which was always interrupted by explosion sequences.”
Executive Producer: “We need those to keep the audience on their toes! We can’t plan explosion scenes we need to let the invisible hand of the free market decide and let us know!!”
military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation
45 fucking years the US propped up, armed, and aided the dictatorial rule of conservative and military governments in South Korea. South Korea’s army still comes under US control in wartime, but sure 2 decades of just mostly corrupt “democracy” means they can just opt-out of US military garrisons. nothing bad would happen to the government that demands that, no matter how popular it is with the Korean people
if you’re not willing to concede anything
the US won’t concede basic demands like moving their troops off the border! fucking ridiculous equating Korea’s refusal to expose itself to attack with US bases thousands of miles away from the US
Despite this, as of 2011, 74% of South Koreans have a favorable view of the U.S., making it one of the most pro-American countries in the world.
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That’s crazy but true. Funny thing is that a month before the poll the guy had a 10% approval rating. It’s only after the South Korean president was discussing demilitarization with Kim in the 2018 summit did people come to trust him.
hmmm… It’s almost as if you would show some good faith that you are willing to concede and not be a nuclear crazy warmonger, people would look positively at you. Crazy isn’t it?
46% of s. Koreans support unification versus 26% against, the United States constitutes the single greatest obstacle to this & Korean soverignty
Also, military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation.
If war breaks out, the RoK is supposed to turn overall command of its military over to the US.
South Korea is not a sovereign state.
It’s only hilarious if you’re highly propagandised and have never examined any of the absolutely ridiculous propaganda that has led you to feel the way you do about them such as:
Using anti aircraft guns for executions (“according to south korean media” lmao)
They all have to get the same haircut
Or that they’re aggressive or something? Like what? How many wars has Korea been in since the US killed 1 fifth of its entire population in the biggest post-holocaust genocide the world has ever seen?
The shit you believe is ridiculous, why do you believe this shit? Why have you never actually said “that sounds fucking stupid”? You don’t examine anything critically at all. You just go with the flow because you’ve seen everyone else be hyper negative about it and never really actually stopped and thought about any of these utterly ridiculous things.
In the meantime, the US is responsible for starting 205 out of 248 conflicts between ww2 and 2010. And yet the DPRK is supposedly a bad rogue state? You’re out of your mind, you do not apply the same principles to one of these countries vs the other, you are guided by FEELS based on whatever propaganda has successfully taken hold in the population. You aren’t really guided by facts or real accessible information we have via the worldbank data and the UN.
90% of Gazans experience severe food insecurity whereas 30% of israelis are obese. Whos the “good” country? the fat asses or the ones starving them?
Uncritical support to the DPRK in its heroic struggle to rid occupied Korea of the genocidal US Empire. Uncritical support to the Juche ideology and its implementation.
You live in the largest, most expensive propaganda machine that’s ever been created by man
You’re talking about a country and an ideology that propaganda machine has been willing to burn the world with nuclear hellfire to contain for a hundred years
Learn about the things you’re talking about. “The forgotten war”
Yes. North Korea is and has always been the good guys.
chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized North Korea “the Good Korea”
Yeah, nobody can be morally good if they’re poor and ostracized. Certainly not some guy who started a religion that underpins much of Western morality to this day.
hey look, they believe western propogandaIt’s pretty hilarious that you’re so smug and up your own ass you pretend to not understand that other political ideologies exist that may differ from your own. So full of yourself and your own self aggrandizement that you can’t type a sentence without presenting it in such a way as though the other person is so stupid for not seeing things your way. Take your smarmy ass back to reddit. No one likes nor wants you around on their forums
I can’t help it it’s just so fun shitting on people who advocate for authoritarian government
“Authoritarianism” is a buzzword used by people who think that a government which does anything beyond letting itself get railed by corporations is overreaching, come up with better material
“authoritarianism isn’t real” is the funniest take I’ve heard this year. I suggest you take a break from the internet.
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I suggest you read some actual political theory.
Define authority. All governments utilise authority.
I can’t help being
. This is why no one actually likes you. Die alone.Post hog, liberal.
Sorry, my bad.
“Best Korea” it is.
Uh oh folks we got ourselves a propaganda consumer!
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea. A failed state that has a starving population with no freedoms and is completely ostracised from most of the world. By choice.
A failed state that has a starving population
This is not correct. Food security in the country has drastically improved and continues to improve - FAO data - Unicef data - both support this position.
By choice.
No? The reason it’s ostracised is a UN vote that was successfully passed that has never been challenged since because the DPRK is not in or allowed to join the UN, any attempt to would be immediately veto’d by the west. This is called 1718.
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea
You see, this here is a problem. You consider simply stating factually true things that people are generally unaware of to be “defending north korea”. You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people rather than view the situation in a more balanced and academic way.
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Post was written at 4am. Genuinely not sure what I meant. No challenge can be made to resolution 1718 though because it includes the requirement for the DPRK to stop developing nuclear weapons and icbms, and that’s a non-option.
I’m not going to engage with someone who resorts to ad hominem attacks.
There is literally no “ad hominem” in that entire fucking comment, telling you that you don’t know about something (ignorance) is not ad hominem, dickhead. If you’re going to do reddit-tier debate-pervert shit to deliberately keep yourself in ignorance of factual information and stop yourself from ever learning anything then at least get your fucking debate-pervert shit correct.
This comment is ad hominem. Loser.
Ad hominem arguments are ones that dismiss your arguments based on insults or attacks on you personally, not just being insulting while making an argument against you.
The fact that you don’t know that (or can’t tell the difference between them) just demonstrates your ignorance, so in this particular instance they weren’t even being insulting, they were simply stating a fact.
You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people
Quite literally the definition of argumentum ad hominem. Attacking my character as well as my motivations, neither of which are the subject of the discussion and are only being used in a fallacious way in an attempt to cement their argument. Their follow-up just demonstrates why it’s not worth the time to engage with someone who makes such fallacious bad faith arguments.
The preceding paragraphs were attacking my argument and would have made an interesting argument otherwise.
No, you dumbfuck, there is no argument attached to those insults. There is nothing in their comment saying that you are wrong because of your ignorance, which is what an ad hominem argument is - we are pointing out why you are wrong, and then calling you a lentil brained moron.
This is stuff they made me learn at school over 20 years ago as a 13 year old. You should be embarrased that you can’t even get the most basic fallacy right.
Is racism against Koreans allowed in Lemmy?
