You can legally buy 90% spirits that are stronger anyway.

You can, but for instance here in the Nordics, it’s every much harder than just getting a bottle of 40-50%abv from the store.

Estonia sells quite a lot of high abv vodka, but we Finns really don’t have everclear or an equivalent of that, and that’s common in of populations that got hard booze later. As in actually drinkable hard liquor is only about 500 or so years old, although some exited for medical purposes almost 700 years ago.

So if I walk into an Alko in Finland, I won’t find anything stronger than 60%, and those in very small bottles. The strongest drinks in larger bottles are like at most 50-55%.

But you can order rums that are up to 72% and something like 80% vodka perhaps.

But no, Nordics mostly can’t actually legally purchase quality 90% ethanol. And it’s because the stronger drinks came here later which is why we have a bit more alcoholism. It’s just evolution honestly. That’s why also a lot of native American populations have problems with alcohol, because it was introduced relatively recently and the fast evolution is yet to cull out the worst drunks. Sounds super racist but it’s true for us Nords as well, we only got hard liquor properly like 200 years ago when anglosaxons had it for around five centuries.

So Tldr the point is regulation does matter quite a lot. It doesn’t completely prevent and whatnot. But neither does banning murder prevent murder yet we’re alright.

People want to get inebriated, but not lose control. So if the regulations help with that, there’s less losing control, ie less abuse.

Just imagine how horrible it would be if there’s was no regulations in traffic, licenses to drive, etc,

And usually watching US traffic I am kinda horrified by the people you allowed to drive — and don’t even have regulations to have studded tires in winter or winter tyres without studs,

We have to drive on a soap-oil course / water-ice course to get our licences.

So while I disliked bureaucracy and authorities currently in power and whatnot, I can see the benefit of regulations.

Edit today i haven’t taken ambien, just rum and glög

Here you go, a fresher photo

/slap

But I prefer this:

The internet is for porn - WOW

I’m thinking a bit of both, but “definitely” to the first.

I actually googled it a bit, and idk when “hysteria” widened to include men as well, but the very first inventor of a vibrator for medical purposes said he wouldn’t use his “percuteur” for women as that would not be fitting. But he was a religious man afaik.

There were all sorts of galvanic stimulators and whatnot so I don’t think they were all as prudes as we might think.

Just compare the US to literally everywhere else in the developed world and try saying again blaming the Sacklers is “a copout”.

to use something because we WANT to.

That’s addiction. Addiction and dependence are two different things. I’ve used literally all the drugs there are and never had a proper problems with any of them. Abused a few on rare occasion but never anything too problematic.

Regulation is key to controlling what addicts are allowed.

Thats why it’s good that the liquor store doesn’t sell you a gallon of vodka when you’ve been drunk for a week and can’t stand on your feet.

Pick up the kids cook dinner and do it all again. Just do subsist and breed the next gen of sheep to be sheared. THATS who you blame.

That’s LITERALLY who the Sacklers are blaming, not me.

“We have to hammer on the abusers in every way possible. They are the culprits and the problem. They are recklessly criminals.” - Richard Sackler in his deposition.

I don’t blame the abusers. I blame the system which allows people like the Sacklers to pull shit like this. None of this shit is going away before all drugs are legalised in a properly regulated way.

I think they’re actually worse than the cartels. Are the cartels more violent and scary? For sure. Do they pull off heinous crimes? Yeah.

But…

Do they have to, in order to stay in business? Yes. Did Purdue Pharma have to? Not in the slightest.

What I mean by that is that Purdue made all it’s money at least somewhat legally. A doctor who took bribes from them and pushed Oxycontin knowing it wasn’t actually as legit — as in “doesn’t cause addiction”, pushing the medication to pretty much whoever from teenagers to grandparents, unsuspecting people in need of medical advice — is arguably of poorer moral character than a dealer selling cocaine to people who know they’re buying cocaine.

And what I mean by the cartels having no choice is that whilst I definitely don’t agree with the violence, I can understand that without it, they’d have practically no control over the trade. If however, they were given the option of actually doing it legally, I think they might give up the violence. Or at least the trade would shift away from it, because it would mean that legit cocaine traders would have the justice system and law on their side. Currently it doesn’t mean much in South-America I think, because the cartels are just so big, powerful and violent. But with time.

Responsible people should even be allowed to use those drugs. But like with alcohol, there should be products which aren’t just as pure as they can get. Like I compared earlier, buprenorphin is to hard cider as fentanyl is to moonshine.

It’s very different having a few beers which are 5% alc than downing a glass of moonshine. Same with so called “hard drugs”. I wouldn’t fuck with opiates too much, but with the proper regulation, I think even those should be allowed, and if they were, they’d eat the legal market of poisons away. Ask yourself, when’s the last time you had a chance to buy illegally made alcohol? It’s not too often that that happens. But illegally made class A drugs? Can get them about anywhere in the world.

And especially for drugs like cocaine, milder versions would be fantastic, as people could still have plenty, just wouldn’t get as affected. Like how you wouldnt’ really be able to kill yourself by drinking 4% beer. It’s just incredibly hard to get an alcohol poisoning from that because how mild it is. But with wine, it’s possible yet unlikely, but with something like 40% vodka/whisky/rum, it’s almost probable if you don’t know how much you should drink and you’re a teenager or something and with moonshine it’s almost inevitable if you actually force yourself to drink the stuff.

So for cocaine I’d say something which is perhaps a bit stronger than just coca leaves, or equivalent, but nowhere near pure face-numbing cocaine.

Bring back real Coke! Original recipe! (Coca-Cola Company is btw the largest legal producer of cocaine in the world, they still make it during the process but just sell it off to… ‘pharmaceutical companies’, or that’s what I’ve heard.)

edit sorry for the essay I just saw your reply after taking a half an ambien so I rambled a bit

Casual reminder that the Sackler family pretty much single-handedly manufactured the American opioid-crisis.

Dopesick this is basically as much of a documentary as “Chernobyl” was. Highly based in real events, but still a dramatizatio so not everything is 100% accurate, but the large lines are.

Sure opioids get used a bit elsewhere as well but I live in the worst part of my city and while there is opioid abuse in Finland, it’s mostly “just” buprenorphin addicts. Buprenorphin is to fentanyl what hard cider is to moonshine, more or less. Yes you can technically kill yourself with both and definitely have a problem with the substance and ruin your life, but the stronger one seems to do that quite a bit more.

bits of Richard Sackler’s actual deposition, acted out by your choice of the following: Bryan Kranston, Michael Keaton, Richard Kind and Michael K. Williams

People who say “blocked”, never block anyone.

“I’m not having a tantrum! I’M NOT I’M NOT **IM NOT IM NOT IM NOT”

;:DDD

Good luck buddy. But unlike you, I don’t have to spam the same comment over and over, because I actually use forums as you’re supposed to. You’re just here to doomscroll memes and regurgitate whatever propaganda you’ve been eating, because you have no thoughts of your own. The proof for that is just looking at your profile :D

greatest intellect on Lemmy!

You think you’re gonna spam me out and then… that will somehow constitute you “winning”? And you think… people are laughing at me WHEN (not if) they see this thread?

;D

You could’ve avoided all this by spending five minutes on Wikipedia. So why do you abhor learning things?

I’m here to point out how overdiagnosed some neurodevelopmental disorders are. But you can’t disuss that can you?

What’s your blood pressure at man? Remember to breathe. Hope you’re not like a gen x or something, because I wouldn’t want to cause undue stress on a person like you.

Why are you in the thread?

I’ve gone literal months into threads like these, because I’m here to write. Writing is practice, and it helps me with my profession. You on the other hand… Unless you’re going to become a professional clown, I don’t know what you’re practicing.

Seems like you’re having a massive problem.

Great looking profile man!

Looks really intellectual!