• Architeuthis
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    8 hours ago

    Presumably you still need to believe that these are the specific loans that you are least likely to see a return on though, otherwise why get rid of them?

    The way the bubble pops will probably be a bunch of normal things happening, except cumulatively they cause investors to shy away from further bankrolling this mess and someone important won’t have enough money at some crucial point. It certainly won’t be sam altman laughing maniacally and dissolving into a mound of scurrying cockroaches.

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      54 minutes ago

      To be fair, I don’t work with this specific bank so I can’t say their reasoning but I will say banks that originate a loan don’t really keep it in their books.

      Also, commercial real estate frequently gets sold off and bundled into portfolios. These portfolios have a mixture of asset types. Investors buy percentage of the return from those portfolios.

      The idea is that if one asset or asset type fails, it doesn’t tank the whole investment. It’s a safer way to invest. Many retirement accounts have similar investments for that exact reason.

    • BlaestEgnen@feddit.dk
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      7 hours ago

      otherwise why get rid of them?

      It’s a Dutch bank, the Dutch pension scheme is in the process of moving from a benefits defined pension scheme (payment known upfront) to a contribution based pension scheme (payment being based on returns). Hence their pension funds have primarily held bonds, that’s changing as historical returns on stonks have been higher.

      Whether ING has any pension related holdings, no clue. But that right here could very well be the reason. It’s also the single biggest factor for why the bond rates are rising globally. It’s estimated to impact about 3TN € worth of capital on the European bonds market, once the transition is in full effect next year

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        5 hours ago

        That’s interesting, thanks! Not exactly sure where the dc loans fit in the benefits vs contributions scheme, but I guess it’s important context to keep in mind if reading further into this.

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          2 hours ago

          The primary difference between a bond and a loan, are the installments. A loan will gradually be paid off, whilst a bond will pay interest yearly and then one installment upon expiration.

          So from a return perspective, they’re both having a fixed return and therfore fits defined contribution schemes nicely. As they can sort of guarantee they’ll have the money they’ve promised the pension holder 10 or 30 years down the line